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Ontario, the problem with the (shotgun) multiple projectiles is that in reality they are pretty small and lack the weight and velocity and very directed ...I dunno what to call it technically...force that a rifle bullet does. Hence their poor down range knock down /hitting power!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ontario Nimrod
Yeah, after sending I noticed the "banned" tag under his name. He should be banned. Stupid comments and I doubt VERY much he actually went mano-a-mano with a grizzly and lived to tell about it. ; )
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Originally Posted by PHOENIX PHIL
I suppose he didn't realize there would be such men on here( so called) with little penis syndrome. Richteb and ilcapo, when you are done your big game hunts what do you do after? Go back home and go in your office or downstairs and masterbate to porn? I think what the fine gentlemen meant earlier when your going out for the thrill of a hunt( with 5 guys with guns beside you...if you call that a thrill) I would think that that person should have confidence in himself and with the guys with him, obviously no confidence with himself nor his mates.
Richteb and ilacpo....Have you ever heard of those young kids( 18- 20) many years back where when they landed on shore they were getting put down with german machine guns and sniper rifles? What did they do? Did they stand and scream , or did they charge forward? If it was up to you two turds to protect your wife and kids from a charging animal, tiger bear etc , would you take a moment beforehand to scream and cry ???? Do you guys know how to field dress animals? Or when you are on a hunt do you just pick your nose and point and shoot? Do yo u know what goes on next after you shoot an animal other then take pictures??? I highly doubt it.
You two guys go tattle on me now,then just like when you shoot an animal like the big hunters you are.... you can walk around with your chests stuck out ( and bellies) and pretend you are real men. Or maybe go hold each others hands. Its a wonder how sperm could find the eggs to fertilize you two idiots.
Ok mighty hunters! Go do your tattleling! lol
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Originally Posted by attriga
...and i bet you would stand-up to the faces of the 2 gentlemen and say the same...
Why don't you rather go play across the street, or dig out your dummy and suck on it for a while, if it is not too far up
The thing is attriga if you're not really outdoorsguy by another name, is in his/your first posts you hurl around a bunch of insults as you're now doing for your first and/or third post. Please, just go away if you don't like this place. No one here will miss you with the attitude you're displaying and apparently you won't be missing us either.Quote:
Originally Posted by attriga
I think the young men on Normandy Beach in World War II did the best they could. As anyone saw in "Saving Private Ryan" 1998 movie, that some people are not up to war battles or hunting for that matter. This was not the case here. They did the best they could in ending the leopards life.
agree with you phoenix phil. the bad spelling and punctuation, along with the charming language seems to point to them being the same people, or too closely related for comfort!
I can virtually guarantee it IS outdoorsguy by another name. I wouldn't waste my time even responding to such a turd.
He makes reference to Normandy, and uses this as a basis for questioning my credibility. Interesting. I wonder what kind of service HE has done. I doubt any, or if he did, he didn't learn crap from it. If he had, he wouldn't be mouthing off the way he has been.
But I'll cut him some slack, for naturally he has no idea I just retired as a military officer after 23 years of service, with my last tour of duty having been Iraq, which volunteered for, even though I was at the end of my career and could have opted out. Has no idea I was a Chicago area cop and a volunteer firefighter when I was younger, before deciding to go back to school for a bachelors and earn my commission. And that during those early years as a cop and firefighter/ how many close calls I'd had vis-a-vis criminals, collapsing buildings, etc. And no, I never screamed in any of the close calls I had, and there were plenty. He has no idea I was silent, not because of bravery, but because I was so focused on the threat and eliminating or avoiding it, it never occurred to me to do otherwise. If nothing else, there was no time. Then again, I wasn't shot (I always got the upper hand over my adversaries) nor was I injured as could have been the case several times while fighting fires -- I came close to being killed twice at 21 years old in a major industrial fire. No, I didn't scream. But I won't equate anything I went through with this guy being jumped by a very large and pissed off leopard.
Frankly, if a leopard laid it claws and teeth into me, I'm not sure what I'd sound like, but it wouldn't be silence. I'd hope to be yelling AT it to try scaring it away, but then again I'd hope to have shot and stopped it before it reached that point at any rate. But I am mature enough and sufficiently experienced in having immediate threats to my life and witnessing others that I can't say exactly how I'd react. I know how I'd like to think I'd react, and there are certainly some things I would NOT do -- like freeze up the way that one cape buffalo hunter did when it charged and caught and was mauling his guide, which was shared in this forum as well, but I digress.
As spike.t has said, between the pathetic spelling and punctuation, not to mention the arrogant and presuming aires he puts on, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with him. It would be unbecoming of me as an officer and a gentleman. Besides, as we often say in the military, "Never wrestle with a pig遥ou get dirty and the pig likes it." Or better yet, "Never Argue With A Fool They Will Drag You Down To Their Level, Then Beat You With Experience!"
LOL, I think it's funny. Just go to show what the results of inbreeding are.
And by the way I have served for ten years in military. And my grandfather fought in WWII.
richteb and Ilcapo....well said guys...we also had a war here and a lot of us served - I did. Young Chappy was too young for that (Martin too for that matter) but jeepers, people deal with sh*t in different ways. There WAS screaming and hysterically terrified men at Normandy and every other battle in history (just doesn't look so cool on a movie screen) Idiots have made a meal out of what was to show for the education of all how fast the cat moves ( have you timed the charge and estimated the distance?!)...already wounded...and the after effects of an attack. The bravery of the guys involved is NOT at question...they all stood and did what was necessary. Just like soldiers / firefighters / other men of service do.
Yup Rich...inbreeding indeed! If he got divorced, could he still call his ex 'cuz'?!
Guys, in the end I don't care what some moron thinks of me or my passion for hunting.
My opinion on this thread is that anyone willing to follow up(on foot ) one of those four legged chainsaws regardless if they are carrying a shotgun, double, M60 machine gun or whatever else has guts and my respect. End of story.
Speaking of the "knelling position", there is a youtube video floating around of a lion charge after a bad shot by the hunter. 4 PHs went in and the one who killed it at 10 feet went down on one knee (it was charging him,and they talked about that before they went in) and took the shot. He had a pair of big ones!
LOL! Ole Bally. Every time I hear (see) people like this yo yo, in my head I hear the opening chords of the song "dueling banjos." Talk about a red neck. Actually, I'll take that back. I know a lot of red necks who are decent people. He gives them a bad name.
And you're right. There was plenty of screaming at Normandy and elsewhere. I was at the WWII memorial when we had the opening ceremony a few years ago, and there was this WWII vet telling stories to a young college kid who was taping for a film he was making. One of the stories he told about was as his unit was crossing pontoon bridges set up to get them across a river as they approached Germany and they were ambushed. Arillery rounds came down, taking out the bridge and throwing people all over the place. He said some were blown off the bridge, while others jumped to escape the artillery. As he put it, they were all young kids, typically 18 to 20, and many were lying there with their guts hanging out crying out for their moms, while others screamed for help from the river.... they'd gone in to escape the artillery but couldn't swim with all the weight on their backs, and as they wrestled to escape from their packs they drowned. He said lots of them drowned that day.
I would hardly fault anyone, of any age, let alone kids like that for crying out. Gezuz! They're lives are about to be snuffed out. As I said, I've had close calls in my life, but the nature of those close calls were such I wasn't in physical pain. I wasn't shot. Nor was I in the midst of being mauled by a wild animal. I can't compare the things I experienced with these other events. In my case, I was in imminent danger of being shot, crushed by a collapsing ceiling, in another case, as a diver silted out in a cave I was lost a scared "_hitless", while in another I was experiencing virtigo as a new pilot and couldn't tell which way was up. All these experiences were scary as hell. Fortunately, I was able to remain calm and think my way out of them -- in the case of the collapsing ceiling it was simply by the grace of God the wreckage missed me (barely). But again, they were different. I still can't imagine, and hope never to experience, having a mad big cat lashing out at me.
I'm just glad the guy who was hit recovered. If he did hunt cats again, that shows he had plenty of courage. And learned a lesson too.
LOL! Ole Bally. Every time I hear (see) people like this yo yo, in my head I hear the opening chords of the song "dueling banjos." Talk about a red neck. Actually, I'll take that back. I know a lot of red necks who are decent people. He gives them a bad name.
And you're right. There was plenty of screaming at Normandy and elsewhere. I was at the WWII memorial when we had the opening ceremony a few years ago, and there was this WWII vet telling stories to a young college kid who was taping for a film he was making. One of the stories he told about was as his unit was crossing pontoon bridges set up to get them across a river as they approached Germany and they were ambushed. Arillery rounds came down, taking out the bridge and throwing people all over the place. He said some were blown off the bridge, while others jumped to escape the artillery. As he put it, they were all young kids, typically 18 to 20, and many were lying there with their guts hanging out crying out for their moms, while others screamed for help from the river.... they'd gone in to escape the artillery but couldn't swim with all the weight on their backs, and as they wrestled to escape from their packs they drowned. He said lots of them drowned that day.
I would hardly fault anyone, of any age, let alone kids like that for crying out. Gezuz! They're lives are about to be snuffed out. As I said, I've had close calls in my life, but the nature of those close calls were such I wasn't in physical pain. I wasn't shot. Nor was I in the midst of being mauled by a wild animal. I can't compare the things I experienced with these other events. In my case, I was in imminent danger of being shot, crushed by a collapsing ceiling, in another case, as a diver silted out in a cave I was lost a scared "_hitless", while in another I was experiencing virtigo as a new pilot and couldn't tell which way was up. All these experiences were scary as hell. Fortunately, I was able to remain calm and think my way out of them -- in the case of the collapsing ceiling it was simply by the grace of God the wreckage missed me (barely). But again, they were different. I still can't imagine, and hope never to experience, having a mad big cat lashing out at me.
I'm just glad the guy who was hit recovered. If he did hunt cats again, that shows he had plenty of courage. And learned a lesson too.
Yeah Ilcapo, I like rednecks...they just are what they are...no airs and graces! A lot of my former clientele were from Birmingham Al. and I loved those folks...they are kind generous and earthy people!
My late father went to WWII at the age of 16 and recently I was watching a documentary on History Channel where the film makers went to graveyards of WWII and investigated some gravestones inscriptions where it was clear that the people had been shot for desertion. On further investigation they ascertained that a majority of them were kids from as young as 14 to 18 who just couldn't take the shelling and death in the trenches. They had been 'press ganged' by the military in England and its colonies to 'go fight for the queen'. What was even more heart wrenching was the footage they showed from archives of men in asylums that were completely deranged from their time in the trenches.
It takes specially mentally equipped men (and women) to have the fortitude to handle warfare and calamity with calm and courage. I have seen soldiers and Officers alike fold and run and also seen the most unlikely of them stand up and face it all with valour! Heroism isn't just for the 'he man' characters!
Quite frankly if you're NOT afraid in these situations...you'll come very short soon enough. Being afraid (whether you show it or not!) heightens your senses and the adrenaline helps you achieve things you never thought were possible!
Chappy is out there hunting hard far as I know!
Cliffy, that kneeling position is the only way to pretty much ensure you're gonna shoot that cat in a charge! Time the charge and you'll see it's under 2 seconds! I always ask...how fast can you track that animal running toward you? Most guys will shoot over the top of him as they stop their rifle tracking to pull the trigger. Shotgunners do well in these situations but the best way is still down on one knee having him just getting bigger and bigger in the sight picture!! But yeah big ones and good training is what its all about!
Outstanding footage! Sure glad that fellow didn't get even worse....
Hi sesstopelman, having been in tight situations with humans, bravery is a subjective perspective. The thing you cannot afford to do is stop thinking; but then bravery is a coward that stays a couple of minutes longer after everybody with sense takes off. I agree with you 100% re outdooorsguy. If you've never been in a dangerous situation, don't critisize those who. You have to have been there.
I wonder if he has to work hard at being a moron. I still standby what my Pappy said to me,
"It's better to look a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Gee this is an interesting topic.He's probably figjam. If you don't know what that means, send me a personal message and I'll explain.
Gentlemen, I think we should treat this fellow with the comtempt he richly deserves. Ignore it and hopefully the disease will go away.