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AGENT: Information about Tusk and Hide Safaris Inc. / agent based in USA

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    Hey Guys,

    These guys also contacted me... I saw Liam's name on the website so I gave him a call and he warned me. Also told me to put down a $4000 deposit and they would guarantee me at least 3x groups of clients in the first year. Well some of my friends has not even gotten a call from them so I am very happy about the call I made, thanks Liam!

    Happy hollidays to all and see you guys in the US!

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    Seems to me this "Booking Agent" has no intention of selling any hunts and is only there to do the Outfitters in...

    Thanks for the heads-up guys. Another good reason to use established Booking Agents with good reputations.

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    If I still lived in MN I would go over there and beat his azz!

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    Eveleth, Minnesota is located in St. Louis County. If I had been taken by these SOB's, I would be contacting the St. Louis County Attorney's office.
    Mark Rubin at, countyattorney@stlouiscountymn.gov, or the head of the criminal division, Gary J Bjorklund at bjorklundg@stlouiscountymn.gov, to file criminal charges against them.
    What they are doing is theft. Considering how many have been taken this might fall into a "criminal enterprise" category.

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    Hi
    I did contact NAPHA we will have to see what they will do.
    tusk and Hides mailed me and said that I shoud stop doing enquieries about them on the web as they would post negative information about us on the web if I continued.
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    Perhaps a phone call to the state Attorney General's office and every TV station where they have an office? Persistence will get the shut down. Good luck!

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    Default US Africa Organization to Consider...

    Hi Everyone, I've just joined the forum due to the thread about Tusk & Hide (et al) found in today's email. If you're not familiar with APTA (the Association for the Promotion of Tourism to Africa), I would suggest you check the Corporate Members on the site (APTA, Africa Tourism, Promotion of Tourism to Africa) and/or consider contacting someone in the organization when you have a question about a US vendor. APTA also has several marketing reps who are members so you can also use the directory to find someone considered legitimate in the industry, should you wish marketing assistance in the US.

    So sorry several of you got screwed by T&H ... it's difficult enough doing business across the water without adding con men to the mix. I'm currently president of APTA's Midwest Chapter, by the way, and will be happy to offer assistance to future inquiries, should you wish to vet a US company claiming to be in the travel industry. I can't guarantee I'll have answers but I'm willing to scratch the surface for you.

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    Wow, geez...

    I feel for the guys that lost money to shady deals. I have yet to learn about the "thorns" in this industry...

    I hope everyone gets their money back and that the culprits are called to justice.

    Even though I am just starting out and even though I have never experienced this kind of shady business characters, this thread has been very helpful. I now also know more or less where to turn if im completey "stumped out" by another agency/outfit/character etc...

    Regards

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    we paid these guys $4500 for advertising and then they disappeared 3 years ago already , I will inform NAPHA about this as I am a member.
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    Some of you guys that were defrauded should contact the FBI since this is national and international! Maybe you could ensure they take their own little safari to the federal pen! Don't write anything off! Don't let these crooks get away with it!

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    Kudos to both Ikeda and aldeureaux for their suggestions. Ikeda.... good leg work! I was going to offer to inquire if Minnesota has its own "Bureau of Investigation" like Colorado, Alabama and some other states. But their attorney general's office would probably be the best place to start. And I was also thinking about the FBI due to this being a case of fraudulent interstate/international commerce. My suggestion is we band together here and bring this to the authorities' attention.

    I live in the Washington D.C. area. If there is anything I can do to help, such as communicating with the FBI headquarters, I will. However, my thoughts are this.

    One person/outfitter going to the authorities might not get much attention. Going in piece meal to them might waste time in getting their attention. Instead, here is my proposal.

    I can make some phone calls to the FBI HQ and see whom we should be speaking with to start. They may suggest their field office in Minneapolis or perhaps with the state authorities. At any rate, I can identify where to start.

    In the meantime, what I suggest is everyone here who has been ripped off, document EVERYTHING about your involvement with these guys. Just jot down on a piece of paper what you remember; aka, how you were contacted, when, by whom, how much you paid, etc., then list out the series of events that led to your paying them money and what this was supposed to be in exchange for. Just write a paragraph or so if that's all you have. Obviously, the more detail the better, but whatever you can, put it down. Have this ready.

    Once I have identified to whom we should go with this, I'll get instructions from them on what they want and how they want it. I figure this will probably be the attorney general's office in Minnesota, but like I said, we can figure that out on this end while you guys are preparing your documentation.

    Once we have identified the appropriate venue, we can then go to the authorities, en mass, with all this information which will have a lot better chance of getting attention in the near term. Some of you have done a great job of digging into the situation and getting their adddress, this list of other many other hunting-related websites they're operating -- which might actually lead to even more cases of fraud -- etc.

    Does this sound like a plan?

    Jerome, if you'd like to take the lead on this, that would be great. Let me know what you plan to do. If you'd like, I can do what I can to help. Whomever wants to take the lead on this, it's fine with me. If it's me, then I'll see what I can do. Just let me know what you'd like to do.

    I just cannot tolerate hucksters like this. Pisses me off that they're giving the USA a bad name and hurting our dear friends there in Africa.

    All those herein who have been defrauded. Please feel free to contact me directly if you want via private message. Again, I'm willing to do what I can to help. We need to put a halt to this. Please don't just "write it off" and let them get away with it. I know you're very busy, but if you can at least document what happened and be ready to demonstrate how much you lost, it would go a long ways to helping take these jerks down. They belong in prison.

    Cheers,

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    I agree Tom T. these guy's give USA a bad reputation, I would love to lock them away and fine the hell out of them.

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    Great action plan Tom T. I hope all those who have been defrauded will jump on your offer and start things in motion. It would be great to ready a post in the near future about these idiots going to jail because people here rose up and took action.

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    While Tom has a great plan to start with. The underlying now turns to the ones who have been taken (alleged obtaining money for services to be rendered) need to do there part and put something together (usually notarized).

    The part that Tom refers to is canceled checks, bank drafts or transfers. Any paperwork weather signed or as informational. a written statement in order covering the facts. Copy's of e mails sent and phone bills showing calls. Personal visits and talking point at those visits.

    When you talk to the Attorney General...Hard data from a number of groups goes to show a pattern where 1 or 2 cases will be handled differently.

    For what it is worth...When people have to put there notarized signature on a piece of paper things change...
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    James.Grage is right on the money. Notarized information is the best. But for now, I'm asking that all of those outfitters who were taken to at least write down the series of events. We need to put together a story board -- that is, a chronologically listed series of events, identifying a starting date all the way to the latest rip off. It appears from what I've read thus far that they've been doing this for at least three years.

    Once that is underway, then each victim of this fraud can put together the supporting documentation, whether it be emails, phone bills, cancelled checks, bank confirmation of money orders cashed, whatever.

    Thus far I haven't heard from anyone. I know it's early, but I wish to again offer my assistance in following up on this. Outfitters can write me here or via private message. I'm standing by.

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    UPDATE. I had taken today off from work to get some things done around the house and to prepare for hunting tomorrow -- it's deer rifle season's closing day and I've been skunked thus far.

    Anyway, I made a call to the County Attorney's office. Both Mark Rubin and Gary Bjorklund were unavailble. The receptionist suggested I speak with the Eveleth Police Department and gave me the number. When I called there I spoke with a woman working the desk who asked for the name and address we had for this suspected huckster. When I provided what Jerome came up with, she right off said that they knew of this guy, but he'd left town some years ago. She noted the addresses we had were outside their jurisdiction and gave me the phone number for the Sheriff's office dispatcher. When I asked in what capacity she knew of him, she confirmed it was due to "run ins" with the police. So, we know we have a problem child here right off the bat.

    I then called the sheriff's department, who took my number and told me he'd have an officer get back in touch with me. Well guys, I just got off the phone with a deputy by the name of Peterson. He took down some of the basic information, and I emailed him the list of outfitters with their emails taken from this site. As I told him, I'm not a victim, just trying to help identify who we need to go with to make a complaint. The sheriff's department will start things off and we'll see where it goes. Be aware he may be getting in touch with some of you outfitters via email. So, if you get an inquiry from a Erik Peterson or anyone else from the Saint Louis County Sheriff's Department, MN, know that it's legitimate.

    Found the guy is, like myself, an Iraq War vet. Also a reservist working in the same line of work as me. So, we had a nice conversation about our tours in Iraq and built some rapport, for what it's worth.

    Anyway. The ball is rolling.

    Cheer.

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    Default Shady dealings. Pro Hunter/Guide.

    We had a "professional hunter/guide" in our area who took several hundred thousand dollars from clients, but when taken into custody, was pennyless.

    He spent three years in jail, but miracles never cease. He is now part owner in a Charter Fishing operation. Bought with cash!

    None of the clients got any money out of the court case, and he is now making a nice living off of summer tourists.

    Please don't get your hopes up about getting your money back. Just pray for justice to put them in jail for a long time. Much longer than the man from our area I hope.

    I apologize to you for every American who is honest in his dealings with his fellow man. These people are part of the 2% who make the rest of us look bad.

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    Yes, it's amazing to me how some people can get away with things like that and suddenly have money again. He probably wasn't actually penniless, but hid the money from authorities. Too bad they aren't going back after him now. I don't think people should be able to claim poverty and get out of paying their victims back, and then suddenly buy another business.

    We have a restauranteur here in the D.C. area who keeps opening restaurants, then going out of business and leaving his suppliers holding the bag. Next thing you know he's back in business again under another name. I don't know why the City keeps giving him a business license.

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    Thanks, you guys are fantastic.
    Iam marketing in Europe at the moment but as soon as I get back I will write and mail all details.
    These guys must be topped!
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    Please every one please do not talk to them via phone.
    Get them to put everything in writing.
    They always want us to phone. I refuse I want it all in writing.
    They threatened me with a type of blackmail if I did not stop!
    They had a face book page but it disapeared after I started asking about them.
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