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    announcement !!

    andrew mclaren of andrew mclaren safaris has challenged ol' pigslayer to an internet trial. i have grandly took him up on his offer.

    just beginning to make announcements , but have already started to contact the proper authorities.

    i'm currently trying to receive contact info. for the nature conservation officials in each south african province. i have an email in to Ms. Kitshoff at P.H.A.S.A. for info. authorities, officials and those with knowledge of south african laws, regulations, requirements are sought to sit in unofficially as jurors.

    updates will be posted here as advancements are made. i've been on africa time since i reported mclaren to Mr. Hannes Blom of nature conservation in the free state. i'm under no impression this will be a quick process.

    it's taking quite some time to accumulate legals and such to verify his credentials,laws and such he has broken or i am suspicious of. i have been learning quite a bit after the ....event...i don't want to call it a hunt or safari.

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    Not sure what the hay this is about but it could be interesting I suppose.

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    This may be a miss post by pigslayer on the wrong forum or an attempt to drag his grievances onto this forum. There is currently a conflict between pigslayer as the client and Andrew McLaren Safaris as the PH over on another Forum.

    It seems Mr Pigslayer was not satisfied with his Safari. Mr Pigslayer has been unhappy with every safari and busines dealing he has had with African providers. There has been some difficulty interpreting Pigslayers posts due to their erratic structure.

    Andrew McLaren provides no frills, entry level safaris, and I mean entry level HUNTING safaris with the appropriate cost structure ie cheap.
    IMHO Mr Piglayer could well be termed, 'the client from hell'.
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    Thats kind of the way it sounded but as you say, its hard to follow the rambling nature of the post. thanks Code4

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    Quote Originally Posted by sestoppelman View Post
    ........................, its hard to follow the rambling nature of the post. ........
    Get used to it.
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    waiting to hear the case

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    I read some of the posts by Pigslayer on the other forum and also the replies from members of that forum,,they seem to hold the PH he's complaining about in High regard ,,what makes him think it will be any different here?
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    Just did the same thing. The guy sounds a little loopy.

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    I am still waiting for this pigslayer to reveal his own name instead of slandering others anonymously.
    He has only one agenda, to ruin an outfitters name and reputation without having the guts to provide his own name.
    My guess is that he only helps that outfitter to get more bookings.
    He clearly have an agenda against Karl Human Taxidermy too as he goes on slandering that business anonymously too.

    All outfitters should do themselves a great favor to not let this cartoon character book with them if we one day get his real name.
    They would end up with pigshit all over their place.
    That might be one of the reasons he is to much of a coward to reveal his own name.

    I guess he saw some people talking badly about this forum and BRICKBURN on the other forum's thread pigslayer started about this matter, and thought we would support his slandering rambling.
    Guess he will soon see how much support he will get from us

    I in general have much respect for other people and their views even if I disagree with them, but this joker doesn't deserve anybodies respect.

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    Really wonder what this is all about, haven't dealt with the above mentioned PH, but have had dealings with Karl Human Taxidermy and it has all been very positive.

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    he must be following on from the thread he started on 25th feb "verifying hunting outfitters and professional hunters credentials" dont know how to put it as a link thing..............wayne where are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spike.t View Post
    he must be following on from the thread he started on 25th feb "verifying hunting outfitters and professional hunters credentials" dont know how to put it as a link thing..............wayne where are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sestoppelman View Post
    Not sure what the hay this is about but it could be interesting I suppose.
    my apologies for not giving a bit more explanation.

    at times i've smelled the ozone from emails and private messages and thought everyone knows the story.

    i was defrauded by andrew mclaren safaris. no if, ands ,or buts.

    a colorful, but honest hunt report was filed. as usual they bring out the attackers.

    andrew thinks he's going to get away with his crimes by having an internet trial judged by the ticks on his behind. i have no problem but it will be judged by credible people from credible organizations.

    it will not relieve my official complaint from the south african authorities.

    the "trial" shall commence as jurors are lined up and i verify my claims and accusations with the authorities. with that i have the documentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Code4 View Post
    This may be a miss post by pigslayer on the wrong forum or an attempt to drag his grievances onto this forum. There is currently a conflict between pigslayer as the client and Andrew McLaren Safaris as the PH over on another Forum.

    It seems Mr Pigslayer was not satisfied with his Safari. Mr Pigslayer has been unhappy with every safari and busines dealing he has had with African providers. There has been some difficulty interpreting Pigslayers posts due to their erratic structure.

    Andrew McLaren provides no frills, entry level safaris, and I mean entry level HUNTING safaris with the appropriate cost structure ie cheap.
    IMHO Mr Piglayer could well be termed, 'the client from hell'.
    mr.code4,

    i have posted nothing inflammatory on this forum. yes , i properly reported andrew mclaren to the authorities.

    you just made an inflammatory post. where do you get your information from ? i am unhappy with all my business dealings in africa ?? REALLY ! i didn't know that. you are just spreading a lie ! you are just trying to cause problems.

    in your humble opinion if a client goes home and doesn't lie to his family,friends,guys and gals at the sports shop and falsifies hunt reports they are a client from hell. that tells me all i need to know about YOU !

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    Quote Originally Posted by enysse View Post
    waiting to hear the case
    i'm waiting for answers and to present.

    getting answers from the authorities is like pulling teeth out of a crocodile with an elephant sitting on his head.

    be patient , you should be on my side !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob44 View Post
    I read some of the posts by Pigslayer on the other forum and also the replies from members of that forum,,they seem to hold the PH he's complaining about in High regard ,,what makes him think it will be any different here?
    how many members here or there actually hired andrew mclaren ? if so many hunt with him , why then did he state at least twice during my hunt " nobody buys my hunts ! " . this includes once at the taxidermist's shop. my take at the time was just another attempt to try and obligate me to pay him more or make me feel sorry for him.

    what makes him think it will be any different here ? those are your words, not mine! your statement just proves your just like that other forums posters ! your making up stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sestoppelman View Post
    Just did the same thing. The guy sounds a little loopy.
    i'd rather be a little loopy than what i'm sure the overwhelming majority of posters are that have commented on this andrew mclaren mess. i must disclose that i haven't read the overwhelming majority of posts on my hunt report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enysse View Post
    waiting to hear the case
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norwegianwoods View Post
    I am still waiting for this pigslayer to reveal his own name instead of slandering others anonymously.
    He has only one agenda, to ruin an outfitters name and reputation without having the guts to provide his own name.
    My guess is that he only helps that outfitter to get more bookings.
    He clearly have an agenda against Karl Human Taxidermy too as he goes on slandering that business anonymously too.

    All outfitters should do themselves a great favor to not let this cartoon character book with them if we one day get his real name.
    They would end up with pigshit all over their place.
    That might be one of the reasons he is to much of a coward to reveal his own name.

    I guess he saw some people talking badly about this forum and BRICKBURN on the other forum's thread pigslayer started about this matter, and thought we would support his slandering rambling.
    Guess he will soon see how much support he will get from us

    I in general have much respect for other people and their views even if I disagree with them, but this joker doesn't deserve anybodies respect.
    and who are you hiding behind norwegian woods ? you are obviously slandering me ! two faced isn't it ? are you from the authorities that i've reported andrew to ? if so ,you have ALL my contact info. otherwise your just not important and for all i know another fraud. there are members on every forum i post that know me. sooo what ? let me think... i've just been defrauded by an internet poster....hey ....maybe i should post my credit card info..SSHHHEEEESH.

    did i ask for anyones support ? just something else you made up.

    big difference between slander and truth. look it up sometime.

    make no mistake ! i didn't ruin andrew mclarens name, andrew mclaren did that all by himself.

    what a paradigm ! you don't want other outfitters to book me , yet outfitters have contacted me to book with them. maybe you should ponder that and realize what they know and you don't !

    i've been nice up to this point. talk about a coward, thats exactly what you see in the mirror everyday. it's boys like you that just attack someone without even bothering waiting for facts and certainly can't recognize the truth. it's always the same with your types that just gang up and attack things that doesn't support whatever it is you stand for. in this case thats obviously fraud,theft and a lack of character,integrity and ethics.

    i stand alone by my post and duly reported the crime . i've spent a helluva lot of time to get information ( laws,regs.,credentials, and such) to prevent crimes like this to happen to any other client. i appreciate honest, hardworking outfitters and p.h.'s who play by the rules and provide that "trip of a lifetime" each and every booking. it's hunts like andrew mclarens that take the bread and butter out of their mouths. EVERY hunter i've met thats been to africa once and won't go back is due to being lied to and swindled. by reporting my "experience" and andrew being dealt with by the authorities is a win/win for clients and outfitters. so far the only people who have shown me support is outfitters hhmmmm. not including those who know me.

    I HAVE ATTACKED NO POSTER ! i haven't attacked andrew. i simply told the truth and delivered it with the same respect he shown me.

    that last paragraph may change in the future. i'm waiting for nature conservation to revoke his license and whatever punishment is due andrew. at that point , i can't wait to see which internet handles apologizes to me and which simply don't respond. that will separate the men from the boys !!

    sure seems many want to cover this whole thing up. wonder what their hiding?

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