What do you consider disrespectful trophy pictures?
This is a discussion on What do you consider disrespectful trophy pictures? within the Hunting Pictures forums, part of the Hunting Forums - Hunting in Africa category; Wow Jerome, this is a tough subject and one that I’m certainly sensitive to. Personally speaking I don’t like any ...
05-31-2011, 10:59 AM #21
Wow Jerome, this is a tough subject and one that I’m certainly sensitive to. Personally speaking I don’t like any photo of a hunter sitting or standing atop of the harvested animal. It just doesn’t feel “right” to me. We as hunters are and must be bound to capturing images that are tasteful to both hunter and non-hunter alike. We are the stewards of our passion, love and respect of the outdoor life-style and animals that we pursue. Great attention should be given to memorialize the adventure, the hunting spirit and at time’s defeat in the pursuit of game and snapping bloody or mounted pictures is not appealing to many.
Several years ago I was fortunate to have hunted and kill a beautiful lioness and we took great pains to clean the Queen of all the blood and built a small earth shelf to gracefully elevate the head for picture taking. After numerous pictures and position changes the PH asked me to “mount” her in a disgusting manner and smile. Frankly, I refused and a significant argument ensued that to this day still upsets me at the thought…
It’s our duty to promote the ethical pursuit, harvest, treatment and consumption of the game we seek and while it often ends in the killing of an animal the picture that ends up “telling the tale” and living on forever. By all means smile and be proud of the adventure and the success, but don’t glorify taking the life of a creature by failing to capture the moment in a tasteful way – you never know who may be looking or lurking from the shadows! As the saying goes “a picture is worth a thousand words”.
Please be mindful of that and Safe Adventuring!
05-31-2011, 11:17 AM #22
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Hunting has changed over the years.
With Cameras that are now digital. We have films that are cut and pasted.
So who is to say what is real and if we really are viewing something or a photo that is photo shopped.
Some of the photos that we have placed on here would not be allowed in a magazine or books.
Other clubs i belong to have strict rules on photos that they will accept. if it shows blood it is a no no...
Arrows still in the animal is a no no...
some on this forum are artist at posing the animals to make them look there best for the animal and client...
so what does that mean i do not know...
However we all need to do a better job of taking pictures of our trophy animals...
If it takes a hanky to wipe off some blood so be it. some water to wash them up... put their tong back in the mouth and close it...spread dry dirt around your animal to cover the blood stained ground...the little things...when you leave the spot you will never regain the spot-lite with your trophy...
it is the little things that make a difference....James Grage - New Mexico
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05-31-2011, 11:31 AM #23
It sounds like the rest of the hunt may have been a little uncomfortable. I hope not too much. Surprised any PH would suggest doing what you said. Would have angered me as well.
05-31-2011, 11:49 AM #24
There was certainly some tension that evening, however the PH later explained that this was a "normal" picture that he had taken many times before. We had a very open discussion on the issue and we continued the hunt without further problems. Honestly, I just had to let go of it so as not to spoil the remainder of the hunt. Needless to say, while a may of let go of it at the time, it certainly has stuck with me in thought. I've been on a number of Safari's since then, but not with that PH...
05-31-2011, 12:03 PM #25
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I might be coming at a wrong angle here, but i have a question, has hunting really changed, i am not referring to the ease and comfort of modern hunts but more the inner hunter and hunting..
We are natural predators, hunting is something mankind does... though we do not need to hunt every week for food we still need the hunt, eating meat we support hunting somewhere down the line.
We have supplemented the physical hunt with other forms of hunting like business success ext...
So in my opinion the hunter has changed, the frustrating thing is that the hunter in us changed from the brave warrior fearless and accomplished to these little guys afraid of showing of their trophy, or posting their photos and in some cases even reluctant to talk about it in certain circles.
And in my opinion that is what makes the Anti hunting groups stronger, the fact that we are getting weaker.
here in South Africa we are experiencing the reality of this types of changes in the sense of gun control,
the anti firearm groups are in the news has websites forums anti firearm campaigns ext, we as firearm owners are bellow the radar trying to keep our guns and stay out of trouble... the defensive reaction causes one hell of a gap for the anti everything to gain on the offensive. and some day it appears we are losing the battle..
When i hunt a Elephant the biggest animal one can hunt in the world, i will feel like a hero, and i will want to take a photo of my conquest... showing me as the victor.. why should i be ashamed of that achievement because disney named it Bamby and the gatherers of the world does not have what it takes to become a hunter.
The reality is if we want to talk about respect and all these human emotions when it comes to hunting, we are slowly becoming anti hunters....
From a human perspective i will not kill a fellow human because i have respect for HUMAN life...
But it is so easy to carry these human emotions to animals, then we can just as well name them and feel guilty after each hunt..
Please don't understand me wrong, we also need to have respect for our fellow humans, but a certain fraternity does not have the least respect for us, but we try to do everything in a respectful manner towards them.
But we can do things tasteful from within the modern hunters perspective...
This is my opinion, not sure if anyone will agree with me..
06-01-2011, 05:34 PM #26
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I am not touching the Human Part. I agree with to each his own, but I like a no blood and Tongue and a True picture. Not one where the Hunter is far back to make a animal look Bigger.
06-01-2011, 05:54 PM #27
I consider it disrespectful to dry-hump an animal after shooting it in front of the camera.
Beyond that...snap away! I am proud that I hunt. I believe in what the Motor City Madman says...
Ted says "Don't be ashamed to wear your camo in public...wear your camo and then hold the door for a little old lady or help someone in need while wearing it!!! Show that world that HUNTERS are some of the most respectful people on earth!!!"
06-02-2011, 09:42 AM #28
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I like what you said Terminator. Never really thought about painting a new picture of hunters to the non or anti hunter community in that way. As a predominant deer hunter, I never wear my camo out in public for the obvious reason - scent control. I like your spin on going out of your way while dressed in camo however. May have to give that a try. I also like your quote about hunters having the capacity of being some of most respectful people on earth.
I find that a serious, ethical, legal and life long hunter is usually extremely respectful, and that respect extends into his daily life and deportment. Unfortunately it only take one negative experience with the sloppy, disrespectful hunters to turn a non hunter into an anti hunter, and at that point we all pay that price. Likewise, a the respectful hunter is the steward of the land and a conservationist at heart. No one else worries and pains for wildlife like hunters do when populations are declining or when expansive wildlife habitat is being destroyed. We take action, we raise funds and made a difference on the ground! We put our money where our mouths are! Just look at Ducks Unlimited. It is those dedicated, respectful hunters who protect wildlife in every way they can. Where as anti hunters just talk about it - we actually get things done.
Sorry to have taken my thread so far away from the topic of disrespectful trophy photos, but some of the comments just got me rolling. I LOVE hunting pictures. Absolutely love them, but am also very critical of them as well. I definitely am not a fan of modern photos with the heroic triumph poses, and am against seeing a hunter with his foot on a downed animal, sitting or standing on it. Elephants, due to their size...perhaps you can get away with leaning. Blood and tongues hanging out..well to me that's less of a respect thing and more of a "do you want a crappy photo to remember this hunt with" kinda thing. I also love photos from the field which tell the story, and am not a fan of tailgate or "hanging in the garage" photos. I'm not opposed to a firearm being in a photo however.
I was pleased to see our PH make such an effort to capture amazing and respectful photos of the animals we took on safari. I realize each photo is almost an advertisement for him, but with all the little-things considered, the animals looked beautiful, getting all the respect they could be afforded through the lens of a camera.
Lots of interesting discussion here, and Jerome, thanks for spawning such an interesting topic. Clearly lots of room for creativity and individualism here, and you wont catch me making a big deal out anyone's pictures if I'm not in love with them. Yet I do appreciate seeing a quality hunting photo! I hope no one has taken offence to anything I have said.
06-02-2011, 10:24 AM #29
Well, I might not wear all my best hunting cloths, but the point is that most people walk around thinking we need to be ASHAMED that we hunt and try not to ruffle any politicallly incorrect feathers.
I say BULLS$#T
If I am wearing a hat in public it is one that makes it obvious I hunt. I have plenty of old hunting jackets and they get used in the spring and fall when I am out and about. THEN I GO OUT AND ACT LIKE A GOOD CITIZEN which puts me as a hunting representative way ahead of most jerks walking around the streets.
If I volunteer to do something I wear cloths that scream "THIS GUY IS A HUNTER" while helping the community.
Point is, show people that you hunt AND THEN act like a good citizen and do something to improve the image of hunters....don't just hide the fact that you hunt in order to not upset some liberal bunny hugger running rampant on our streets you might pass.
06-02-2011, 10:55 AM #30
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A forum is made for people to state, "What is on your mind?" What information are you seeking? What story are you telling?....What do you want to talk about? And Jerome has done a excellent job, in letting people get off the topic as long as they are polite. Which I think is very good.
I think it's great for people to wear camo in public. Why should I hide that I'm a hunter and believer in wildlife conservation? I don't care how many people know I hunt and kill game animals. I am proud of the fact! I eat what I kill. I back up, what I talk about...and don't hide the facts.
Yes there are slob hunters out there! But there are also a lot of guys and gals that would do anything for another human being in need too. And they love animals, more than any animal rights person will ever know.
My two cents for the day!
02-26-2013, 07:37 PM #31
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I found this to be the norm with all the animals that were harvested on our hunt. Our trackers and skinners took the time not only to pose our animals but clean the area around them and wash them off, to some it may seem like it was sanitizing the area but to me, it was giving the animal his dignity in death.
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