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    I have a few questions about Asian Buffalo.
    1) Have any of you guys taken any on ranches in the US?
    2) Are they a challenge or is it like shooting a beef cow in the field.
    3) Are they edible?
    4) What is the price range where you have hunted? (quite reasonable here in Florida)
    5) Rifle, muzzleloader or bow?

    The reason for all the questions is because they offer these exotics very close to home for about $1600.00 US. Driving distance means that if I shoot one, I can transport meat to a processor and recover some of my cost in steaks and burger! I would like a fair chase hunt.

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    Tarawa JR outfitters has Asian Water Buffalo in your state, and his hunts can be a hard or easy as you make it. His prices are far above the price you quoted however. He gets $4K -$ 5K for Asian Buffalo. Joe Obannon is a licensed PH in Tanzania but owns the ranch in the swampy marsh near Indian Town, FLA.
    They have a minimum caliber restriction for the Asian Water Buffalo, of 375H&H Ballistics.


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    Where are you getting a $1600 price in FLa? I might be interested myself! Like you I want a hunt, not a snipe shoot! Joe uses a 470NE double rifle for back-up, and will rent that rifle to a client if he chooses. I have a 470NE double, but I'd call him to see if he would allow my 9.3X74R double instead, with CPS North Fork bullets!
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    I used to use JRs shooting range which was closed by the county for zoning violation and believe it or not noise complaints from adjoining property owners. I never met Joe, but read a good article about him by Craig Boddington, I believe. I hear his hunts are as close to an African Safari as you can get in Florida.
    Chappys Outfitters offers Water Buffalo for $1600 and up and Bison for $2200 and up. Also Outwest farms has similar pricing. There were some good prices listed on Suwanne River Outfitters also. I would check the availability at all these places before I booked though. The buffalo in the picture was taken at Outwest farms at my first hog hunt. They had some nice trophys, but I wouldn't say it would have been real sporting to shoot one from the buggy I was on at the time!
    I have to admit that stocking a buffalo at Chappys would be as rugged as you can get. Thick oak woods, palmettos and swamp. A man could get lost in there. They say that there is a buffalo in there that has been outsmarting he hunters for a few years, so he would be a challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarawa View Post
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    The buffalo you posted above is a very young Asian Buffalo as they are in Australia! These grow to have 100 inch sheeper horns, and are much larger than even the African Cape Buffalo, but not as aggressive!

    The one below from Okeechobee are the Philippians version of the Asian Buffalo, and their horns never get much larger than the ones in the picture, below.

    One of each would make a fine addition to any trophy room, as examples of the wild OX along side a good Cape Buffalo. (the cape buffalo, which by the way, are mistakenly called "WATER BUFFALO" by people who don't know better, are not the same thing)


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    I buffalo hunting for more than 12 years in Brazil, and have seen everything, AGREC extremely big buffalo, buffalo quick and intelligent to the point of becoming imoveis waiting a chance to kill you! here it is not unusual animals from 1000 to 1200 kilos, the areas to hunt these animals are very complex, formed by a load of marsh mosquitoes that lets anyone crazy!

    would not know how to hunt buffalo in florida, in most areas of Brazil to hunt wild buffalo milk is very dangerous, buffalo kill many hunters in Brazil, in Brazil because the laws that restrict the purchase of weapons in very large calibers hunters use guns low power as 44mag, 3030, 308 and other similar like it have caused many accidents, even today I shard with weapons of good size (458LOTT and 505) and the distance of fire are reduced by media and the meetings take place at 20 or 30 meters which can complicate quite a 3rd shot!

    if you never hunted a wild buffalo, he meets an adversary because it is very fantastic!

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    Sounds like fun Beto and it is a lot closer to fly to Brazil from Canada than to fly to Australia.

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    Any bovine can be aggressive if wounded, even a domestic bull can be a handfull....The Dwarfe Buffalo of CAR are the most aggressive of the bovine species IMO, they seem to charge on sight more than any other buff species..The Cape is next...

    Chances of aggression from the Asian types are slim to almost none but it can happen..

    I have an opine that the difference is the African species are stressed more in their daily lives by being hunted continually by Lions and this is the big reason for their defiance to anything that gets in there way..I know for a fact when they are hunted every night by lions on a concession with a lot of lions the are aggressive as hell..I also know that on some fenced ranches where hunting is continious Cape buffalo become extremely aggressive..

    I don't consider the Asian buff much of a hunt, but its better than watching TV and mowing the lawn, thats for sure..I would go hunt one if he was near and only cost $1600..

    I hunt Bison from time to time and they are fun to hunt but they arn't the smartest animal on earth for the most part, but I have seen ranches where they were extremely hard to hunt and were near the ultimate challange....
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    I make a buffalo hunt of the weekend, if successful I will post the photos for you!

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    Beto,
    I don't like to brag, but I made it one of Argentina's sports magazines. Of course a friend of mine writes for the magazine! Check out the double rifle article in "El Pato". There is a picture of me and my first hog. (I'm the ugly one in the picture holding the gun!)

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    tarawa -
    I have never shot one yet, but am going to do so next weekend on a ranch in Texas. They need a problem animal put down and the operator invited me to come help - the sort of invitation that is hard to refuse.
    If all goes well, there should be pictures and some bullet penetration testing on the carcass to report.

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    I am looking forward to seeing the pictures. The more I hear about the hunting in Texas, the more I want to go there.

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    With the exception of a lion, leopard and a few other critters, you can pretty much hunt anything in the world on some of those ranches in Texas. It just depends on how much money you have to spend. You can even shoot a cape buffalo for a small fee of $50,000. More money than I can afford, but neat to see all of the amazing animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-MAN View Post
    With the exception of a lion, leopard and a few other critters, you can pretty much hunt anything in the world on some of those ranches in Texas. It just depends on how much money you have to spend. You can even shoot a cape buffalo for a small fee of $50,000. More money than I can afford, but neat to see all of the amazing animals.
    For that kind of money you could make a couple great trips to Africa and shoot many Buff.

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    Beto:

    I was under the impression that hunting was illegal in Brazil. Guess I was wrong.

    Could an American go there, kill a buffalo and export its horns and cape legally? Can foreigners bring their own rifles? What would it cost?

    Also: I am very interested in the world's deer. Is your photo of a swamp or marsh deer? Can deer be hunted legally in Brazil?

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    I guess for those that have a lot of money it saves them the trouble of flying to Africa. Still, you lose the whole experience in my opinion. For that price I could easily make three or four trips to Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarawa View Post
    Beto,
    I don't like to brag, but I made it one of Argentina's sports magazines. Of course a friend of mine writes for the magazine! Check out the double rifle article in "El Pato". There is a picture of me and my first hog. (I'm the ugly one in the picture holding the gun!)
    Sorry Beto,
    I forgot about the language difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billrquimby View Post
    I was under the impression that hunting was illegal in Brazil. Guess I was wrong.
    YES YOU ARE WRONG! BRAZIL IS IN SOME can hunt animals such as Buffalo, wild boars, ducks, Teal, pigeons, RABBITS!

    Quote Originally Posted by billrquimby View Post
    Could an American go there, kill a buffalo and export its horns and cape legally? Can foreigners bring their own rifles? What would it cost?
    YES YOU CAN! ONE CAN NOT KNOW WHAT THIS COSTS! AND YOU CAN JOIN WITH YOU IN BRAZIL Rifle YES!

    Quote Originally Posted by billrquimby View Post
    Also: I am very interested in the world's deer. Is your photo of a swamp or marsh deer? Can deer be hunted legally in Brazil?
    Deer Hunting the swamp IS ILLEGAL IN BRAZIL! Such animals may be hunted IN PARAGUAY AND BOLIVIA!

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    tarawa;
    You were interested in the results of my buffalo hunt so here is a brief overview and a picture:
    Saturday morning, we put down a large (approx 1500 pounds) female hybrid water buffalo (Asian with some % cape buffalo as the skin is black and the horns have some characteristic of the cape buffalo). She had a broken horn with no trophy value and had attacked an ATV, a truck, various farm equipment, and chased some hunters on foot. We located her about 6:30 AM and eased out of the brush as she and another buffalo stood within 5 yards of the brush and I was given the first shot with my 1895 Winchester shooting .405 WCF NF 300 grain Cup Point Solids (at 2250 fps) at approx 50 yards broadside. I aimed 1/3 up the front leg above the brisket. At the shot, she visibly dropped her right front shoulder and appeared to be going down. Because we had lost her last night in the brush and did not get a shot, it was prearranged that after my shot, Joe (.375 HH) and Ricky (.348 WCF) would fire. Upon the completion of this volley, she continued down and hit the ground dead! We all put a bullet through the brisket as insurance and the cleaning and hunt for expended bullets ensued.

    Left to right - Joe, crs, and Ricky

    The post mortem was interesting, but again in summary:
    My first shot with the .405 pulverized the upper right leg bone, passed through both rib cages and organs there (heart and lungs?) leaving two inch holes in the rib cages. The spent bullet was found parallel to the offside hide. Here are the two Northforks that were recovered - the shorter one was the bone breaker and had been visibly compressed and had lost a few grains of weight down to 292 grains.


    Because this was a problem buffalo, the rate was reduced, but if you want to learn more about shooting a buffalo at this ranch near Hondo, Texas, contact Josef Riekers (Joe) at this web site T. RIEKERS SPORTING AGENCY & Gunmakers.
    I have hunted with Joe on several occasions and can vouch for him if you like.
    Regards and good hunting,
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