Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
Almost forgot. Since Gemsbok and Waterbuck are almost identical size amybe swap Waterbuck for Impala or something similar.
Whitetail deer, Coues Deer, Rocky Mountain Mule deer, Desert Mule deer, Sitka Blacktail deer, Columbia blacktail deer. (I beleive Carmen mountain whitetail deer have been found to be genticaly distinct as well).
Alaska/Yukon moose, Canada moose, Shiras moose.
Rocky mountain elk, Roosevelt elk, Tule elk, Manitoban elk (I beleive these are classified as a sub-species please correct me if I am wrong).
Alaska barrenground caribou, Central canada barrenground caribou, Mountain caribou, Quebec/Labrador caribou, Woodland caribou, Arctic island Caribou.
Plains Bison, Wood bison.
Rocky mountain bighorn sheep, Desert bighorn sheep, Nelsons bighorn sheep, California Bighorn sheep, Stone sheep, Dall sheep. (before anyone comments, Fannin sheep are simply a light color variation of Stone sheep)
Brown bear, Polar bear, Black bear, Kermodie bear, Grizzly bear.
Timber (gray) wolf, Red wolf, Coyote, Red fox, Gray fox.
Cougar, Lynx, Bobcat.
Pacific Walrus, Atlantic Walrus.
I am sure I have missed something here but you get the jist.
Let's not forget Jaguar, Brocket Deer, and the Peccary.:biggrin2:
Good job! Didn't realize White tail got so big! Although I am told different states and areas within those states can produce bigger or smaller animals based on genetics and food availability!
When hunting with bow hunt clients here in Zim, The clients would often miss real easy shots (close shots on big animals) and when one questioned them, generally they had only shot deer back home and thus were accustomed to using the 'gap' system of judging distance!
The other thing I noted was that unless very specifically coached (continuously) they would tend to place the arrow (or bullet) too far back which'd result in gut shots! So our shot placement guides are also an invaluable tool as long as the person pays attention to the vitals!
HI Gents, apologies for not giving feedback, i have been busy the past few weeks, i am busy updating and making the suggested changes.
I will upload an updated version soon..
Look forward to seeing the latest version.
What about the Lord derby Eland and Okapi? Surely they need to be on the list and also the Hartbeest. Then there is also the Mountain Nyala in Etheopia. What about the wild pigs in Africa compared to the ones in America....bushpig, warthog?
Without rangefinders most people I have hunted with including myself seem to have a harder time judging a small animal like a Pronghorn or coyote, which are usualy grossly overestimated.
As far as shooting too far back, our game definitely has much bigger lungs than African game, which certainly does not seem to make them any tougher though. I shot my Hartebeest on a quick instinctive shot (just behind the front leg) that would have seen a Whitetail piled up in short order but The Hartebeest sucked it up and we never did find it.
Diamondhead, that gap system seems to have faded with laser range finders hitting the market now!
I always attributed the african critters being 'tougher to kill' being due to the fact that they are so predated on day in and day out. One sees horrific wounds on animals like Zebra where they've been attacked by Lion or Hyena and they just go about life as normal! I have seen a gut shot Impala run away, step on the entrails, pull it ALL out and still keep running for a mile or so!
I have no experience on US animals at all so I cannot comment on their 'toughness'.
But I reckon it's all just about shot placement at the end of the day. A shot behind the front leg on our critters is pretty much a gut shot. But so difficult to recover them!
How about this too?..... there's a space in the plural cavity above the lungs but below the spine where there's nothing! Like a vacuum space where if you put a bullet into it especially with Eland....they just go and more often than not you don't find them! Because it's so high up, there's no blood trail and if the animal happened to shift or move in the instant before the shot, the skin closes the entry hole up. Weird!
I never could back this up with medical fact but I've sure seen it happen!
Diamondhitch, it all depends on the type of bullets you use and where that exact bullet hit on that animal. You would be damned surprised how little some bullets do on damage to a animal. If you hit them in a special spot they keep on running! Archery hunting is worse. With sharp broadheads a animal can lay down and heal a bad shot.
You are a good hunter and bad luck hit you...it's hit me too.
And I was LMAO about your distance comments on shots taken! Most people can't hit the broad side of a barn at 300 yds!!!!
The range finder stops all the animal size guessing.
You still have to make yourself point those cross hairs into the right place.
We just happen to have a few more inches behind the leg for leeway here on North American game. (for what ever reason)
I found out during my hunts that I am a meat hunter first.
It was very hard for me to push that vertical cross hair forward into that shoulder meat and pull the trigger.
I could not make myself shoot my Eland in the steaks to finish him off even though he already had two through the boiler room.
(Makes for a longer tracking job!)
Next time I'll practice heart shots and shooting through the shoulder.
Old Bally - Our game also has the same issues with the plural space. On full inhalation the lungs fill it but at full exhalation it is at its widest. At any rate a bullet through it at the wrong moment has no affect.
Regarding shot placement, I've taken up the habit of also placing my shots (rifle that is) square on the shoulder for American game. Yes, it's forward a bit but not that much. And yes, it does some meat damage though I find it's not that bad, but I know that the animal will die quickly. All of my Coues deer here in AZ have just dropped straight down. When the retrieval amounts to 300-400 yards horizontally but equates to at least twice that by the time you drop down into then back up out of the canyon, this is much appreciated. I use Partitions on the bigger stuff and really it does not do anymore meat damage.
So when I went to Africa I found the shot placement to be no different than what I was used to.
The only thing I can see having an issue with is the fact that North American species differ in size based on location of habitat. There are several hunting books out there that give precise size information. Also remember that even though an African species may be smaller than a North American Counter-Part African animals have a nasty tendancy to not die right out, even with proper shot placement.
God Speed & Good Hunting
Well Finally an update, i tried to consider all the suggestion in this forum, but i think there is limitations as well,
i expanded the comparison chart to accommodate more species is NA and Africa, i hope you like the changes.
Any comments and suggestions to improve it is welcome, what i did was to try and standardize to a single source
of data, not always possible but at least i got close..
i used as much as i could from Big Game Hunting Records - Safari Club International Online Record Book as reference..
Here it is...
What do you think :-)