46" Cape Eland shot in Namibia June 2011
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09-29-2011, 04:05 AM #42
- Member of NAHC Life Member, NRA Life Member,SCI, Buckmasters
- Hunted USA(from Coast to Coast and Alaska), Germany, South Africa, Canada
Charl Looks like you've got a great area for hunting, guess I need to come visit you next time I come to Africa. I think that Warthog has my name on it.
Perhaps there was a reason Charl did not answer?!!!
I know people who shoot large trophies just can not keep quiet, and he did not. It was not that hard to find.
He told his story elsewhere.
BELOW IS THE STORY AS TOLD BY CHARL KEMP on the NORMA website.
Here is the link:
The big one or nothing! - Norma
The parts of the story I found very disturbing are found in BOLD
At minimum the hunting ethics involved in this hunt are questionable.
Killing FIVE Eland! Who shoots FIVE Eland bulls?
Was it a cull hunt on the farm Ravena #977?
Ok, what sane outfitter kills the large bulls (breeding bulls)?
Is there anything left to hunt when they leave?
Charl states that "Dad" was along on this hunt!
I thought about that for a moment and then looked as the hunt promotion here on AH; FERDI KEMP's outfit!!
Refer to this thread for information:
Namibia Pro Hunting & Fishing VS Namibia Pro Hunting Safaris:
The brochure can be found at this link: http://www.southernafricanhunting.co...ng_package.jpg
Here is the promo brochure.
Now, Charl is promoting hunts on AH:
Namibia 2012 hunting package just released
"We have put together a hunting package for hunting in 2012 ,the northern Namibia, Grootfontein district. This package applies for 2 or more hunters at a time.This add is placed by Namibia Pro Hunting and Fishing, and the following included in the package:
1 x Eland Bull
1 x Kudu Bull
1 x Gemsbuck
1 x Warthog
10days, which are 9 nights, 3 meals a day,
all hunting guides and trackers
skinning and field preparation of trophies,
transfers from and back to Windhoek International
Have a look at the link below, there are some pictures there.
You need to be registered with MET to be an legal outfitter in Namibia.
You need a PH License to guide hunters as well.
It seems as though anyone can be an agent.
Neither Charl Kemp or Ferdi Kemp are licensed to PH in Namibia.
Please contact MET for yourself:
MET Namibia - Home
You members read the story and see how you feel.
The big one or nothing!
"But this year i said to myself, I'm going to target just that type of bull, I won't compromise by shooting decent size bulls again, either the big one or nothing!"
My name is Charl Kemp. I live in South Africa. I want to share my Norma hunting experience with you!
Me and my family only hunt with Norma ammunition, it's been passed on now to the 3rd generation.
Recently we went to Namibia for our annual hunting trip, up in the northern section close to Grootfontein.
We have been hunting in Namibia for 25 years now, every year making the trip up there for anything from 2 - 6 weeks.
For the past 6 years i have been trying to shoot a big trophy Cape Eland bull, with some success every year, shooting decent size bulls, but not that monster that i was looking for.
But this year i said to myself, I'm going to target just that type of bull, I won't compromise by shooting decent size bulls again, either the big one or nothing!
I arrived on the farm, Friday evening 17th of June 11' at 10pm, tired after a long drive from Johannesburg, through Botswana, a total of 1885km, and spending a 2 hour wait on the border post of Botswana, waiting for my rifle permit to travel through.
I worked in a well needed rest that night, deciding to skip the early morning hunt with my father and his 4 friends, to rest well, to be fresh when i started hunting the afternoon.
That afternoon i just went out alone, and went to sit at an old salt lick where i knew lots of game came normally, I sat there behind a big camel thorn tree, approx 70m from the salt lick, with a slight breeze blowing in my face, just taking in all the sights and sounds of nature, enjoying it to the fullest, waiting to see what comes out the bush.
That afternoon nothing came, it became dark, and I decided to call it a day. As it was full moon, and very very difficult to hunt in this period, the animals hide away, and drink late at night, and become extra skittish. And on top of that, it was the best rainy season in this area for 40 years, so that didn't help much, very long grass, and thick vegetation, i knew its going to be a difficult hunt this year.
The next morning, we all went out early, whole bunch of us on the back of the hunting vehicle, us 3 hunters and the 2 trackers, my dad the other hunter, being the driver most of the time. That morning was the coldest morning i have ever experienced, being -2 degrees and driving on the back of the vehicle, dammit it was cold.
As we drove to the back of the farm, on the main gravel road, approx 9km, the farm being 8000ha, we dropped of the hunters with their trackers to walk and stalk different areas of the farm, then we pick them up later in the morning at arranged spots at around about half past 10 when it starts heating up, and head back to camp.
In the meantime after we dropped they of, me and my dad would drive right around the border of the farm, checking if nothing pops out, not wanting to disturb the areas where the other guys are walking.
At about 7:35am, we reached the 3rd border section, turning right down the fence, proceeding, until we came to a cattle fence about 3km down the line, as I got down to open the gate to enter the next camp, with the border fence to my left, I looked right, down the cattle fence leading to a water spot about 2.5km away.
I then saw a small herd of eland standing next to fence, approx about 6 of them; enjoy the Morning sun in the open after the cold.
They were + - 500 m away. I saw there were roughly 2 bulls and 4 cows, they immediately started to jog in the bush away from the fence, and 1 cow jumped over from left to right.
I knew then that the others would follow. I quickly took of my jacket, took my rifle, and started walking down the fence, I knew they would either run away or come back to jump over to follow the first cow, I walked about 250 m, rifle loaded and on safe, then stood still to listen........ I stood about 10 seconds, and then started to hear "click"........"Click".........."click in the distance, and I know from all my years of hunting that that was eland....a big bull eland..... whose hoofs clamp together as he walks and picks up his foot, when he steps on its foot the pressure of his weight opens them up, and when he picks it up to walk again, it痴 like spring loaded and clamps back together again, thus the click sound being the two hoofs hitting each other. I could hear him walking, luckily not running, towards the fence, but I still had no idea how far he was. I went and stood up against one of the planted upright posts, to take perfect still aim if he was to come out.
Within about 30seconds, I saw him........just sticking out his head and neck in the open area next to the fence, and he looked straight at me, I knew he was on his way to jump over the fence, within 5 seconds of him sticking his head out, I took down my safe,.... aimed at his lower neck closer to the chest, and for a split second I just then realised how big he was....body wise....I didn't look at the horns even....there were no time..... Held my rifle tight and pulled the trigger..............!
The shot struck well from what I could hear at that distance, the eland dived forward with his head down, turned around and headed into the bush! I felt very confident with my shot, and I knew he wouldn't be far. Just then a whole bunch of eland ran out the bush and jumped over the cattle fence, and then another bull, ran to the fence and jogged down it for another 200m I would say, and then went and stood and looked at me with his body facing me head on this was really a bit far, but I was confident in my abilities, my rifle and my ammo! So n reloaded, aimed..... And fired at this second bull, shooting from standing position, with no dead rest was a bit difficult at this distance. I didn't hear the noise the bullet makes when it hits the animal, so I was a bit sceptic, the bull ran further down and jumped over the fence and gone he was. I was worried that I wounded the animal, so I walked further down, to where the first bull stood that n shot, draw a line in the road, and saw the blood. I was confident he wasn't far so I first went further to see what happened with the second one. I got to the spot where he stood when I shot, no blood...... i then climbed through the fence and followed his track for about another 2 hours, to make sure he wasn't wounded, and maybe to see if i could get another shot. I followed his tracks along with the rest of the heard, eventually reaching the border fence and jumping over into the neighbour痴 farm, so that was the end of that. At least no wounded animal. I then walked back a along the border fence, a 3.5 km walk in thick red sand, makes you tired! I eventually got back to where I got of the hunting vehicle to shoot, and luckily I saw the hunting vehicle in a distance coming my way.
When they got to me, my dad had picked up all the other hunters already, and came to look for me. Little did i know they already went and found my eland bull i shot first, and covered it with branches so it doesn't rot of the sunheat, because eland meat rots the fastest of all! They then all convincingly told me, I had shot a very young bull, and I didn't believe them at first, they kept on telling me, the same story so I started to believe them, so, that I got angry with myself, I couldn't believe I shot a young bull! I was so put off!
But anyway we then went back to where i shot from, and measured the distance to where i shot the eland, I was well surprised... just over 230m.
We then started to chop our way into the bush with axes and pangas, for the hunting vehicle to come through, roughly 150m into the bush we chopped, during all this they were all going on with me what small animal I shot.....al making jokes of me....... little did I know what was to follow!
We eventually came to this patch that was covered in branches and leaves etc, and they said here he lies, I almost didn't bother, but i saw this heap lying underneath wasn't small as they said!
I rushed closer, grabbed the branches and threw them aside so I could see what was lying beneath!
I couldn't believe what my eyes were showing me! The biggest eland bull I'd ever seen! Its body was massive! A monster!
I then took of the branches of the head so i could see his crest and horns. And another huge surprise! Massive horns!
I saw as he was lying on his right hand side, his right horn was broken off, and much shorter than the other, but the left horn, wow, wow wow!
I estimated there and then, it would be at least 43-44 inches.
We then all had the huge task of getting him up to take decent photos, took 6 of us just to get him upright, but in the end it paid off with beautiful pictures!
Then the next task was to get this monster on the back of the hunting vehicle! This went much easier with 2 ramps and a 4ton Warn winch doing the work. Then we were of back to camp at last, by this time it was 2:15pm.
First thing I did when we got back to camp was grabbing my Rowland Ward tape measure, and measuring the horns. The longest horn measured 117,5cm, which is = 46 1/4? I couldn't believe it; it would rank under the top 3 in the world! I was so so happy, the best present i ever gave myself!
I then took it to the slaughter place, we hoisted him up and the farm worker started skinning the animal, because the meat had to get in the cold room as soon as possible. I watched closely as they skinned, to make sure they didn't damage my cape, because this trophy is definitely going to the taxidermist the next day!
As they removed the skin I started examining the animal, where it was shot, where the bullet went and how it performed etc,
I saw I struck it in the lower neck, exactly were I aimed, I then had a look on the other side to see where the bullet is stuck, cause the bullet must be inside still.
To my surprise there was an exit wound, about 1 inch in front of the lower to middle shoulder, I couldn't believe it ...at that distance, 230m.....on such a big animal......wow! I was impressed! For the bullet to travel so far, and pass right through that eland, especially in its neck and shoulder area, which has very large and tough muscles and heavy bone! The animal slaughtered weight was 402kg.WOW!
I used my Norma 180gr Nosler Partition Ammunition in my custom built Mauser rifle in 30-06 with a Zeiss 7x50 scope, zeroed at 200m.
I am extremely happy with my Norma ammunition! I went on to shoot another 4 Eland bulls and a kudu bull, all ammunition performing extremely well.
I will as long as i can and afford Norma ammunition, use it; there is for me no better ammunition!
Thank you very much Norma, you guys at Norma can count on me to be an ambassador for you where ever i shoot and hunt!
Charl Kemp, South Africa"
die groot eland het ek vir myself geskiet as trofee en vir die vleis,en so ook die kudu, ek skiet 2 grootwild jaarliks vir my vir vleis vir persoonlikke gebruik, die ander was ek gevra om te skiet vir vleis, op n skiet en verkoop permit van die grond eienaar, well as mens die permit het, , anders verloor mens die getalle vir die seisoen,want daar was geen meer jagters nie, en daar is baie baie elande daar, dan is dit seker regverdig om die wild te skiet? daar was geen onetiese jag nie, ek het daai wild in die storie geskiet oor 4 weke tydperk, van die 4 eland bulle was daar net die een groot bul, die ander was jong bulle, dieselfde groote as eland koeie, en al die eland koeie was swanger,so ons kon nie koeie uitskiet nie, so julle kan maar klippe gooi, onthou n storie het altyd 2 kante, ons jag geen sins onwettig nie, vir ons self jag neem ons altyd permitte uit, julle kan dit konfirm met natuur bewaring in namibia, hulle het dit op rekord, ons maak gebruik van jag plase en ph's in namibia, ons tree net op as agente, en gaan dan ook saam vir die opwinding van die jag, so ons mag adverteer, ons doen net glad nie meer luiperd jag nie, en ons adverteer net plains game, so die wat wil suurgat wees daaroor, hou dit vir jouself, ek het gister met mr Ling van NAPHA gepraat, en alles met hom geclarify,hy het ook gese hulle wil ons nie uit die land hou nie want ons promote namibia, hy wil net he ons moet binne die wet werk, wat ons ook wil doen, en die luiperd jag wat skeef geloop het, het groot in deel nie ons skuld nie, dit was n ph in SA wat ons genader het en gevra het sal ons dalk kan help en raad gee, en n jag kan reel, en so het ons dit gedoen, dit is ook maar die verandwoordelikheid van die ph van SA om te kyk dat alles in orde was, die ph van suid afrika het meestal alles gereel en onderhandelinge, ons was bloot net n middelman, ons het die pak gevat want ons was eerlik, die dag toe die ph verdwyn sonder permit te gee, het ons onmiddelik n klag gaan maak by die okahandja se polisie, ons probeer nie die jag in namibia afbreek of corrupt nie, ons is lief vir die land en promote hom net, ander kon ons mos maklik net in sa gejag het, ek het groot geword in namibia, so dit is waar my liefde le, so die wat dink ons is skelm en ons sleg praat uit namibia, dit is jou saak, ons werk saam Napha, en geregistreerde jagplase en ph's, ons is bloot die middelman, die agent, en as ons saam gaan op n jag is dit ons voorreg, ons steek niks weg nie, as iemand iets meer wil weet vra gerus.
to just translate the above to eng
the big bull i hunted was for myself for trophy, and for the meat, aswell was the kudu for the meat for myself, i shoot yearly 2 big antilope for meat for myself, the other eland was all young bulls, as at the time all the eland cows were pregnant and we did not want to shoot them, so i was asked to 3 young eland bulls by the land owner, as he had a permit to shoot and sell 10 eland for the season of meat hunting, this was a figure fiven by nature conservation, and gets yearly reassesed, on game counts and vegetation, and only 3 had been taken in the season so far, and there were no more hunters(for meat) for the rest of the season. i took these animals over a period of 4 weeks, also to remember this a open farm , not fenced in, so animals move freely, not like most farms where there is game fence around and the animals only stay on that propperty, so it is definately more of a fair chace, and there is nothing to talk about hunting ethics, this was a fair chase hunt by foot, all of the animals i hunted by walking and stalking. and all the animals was shot by clean one shot kills,
i just want to add this, remember this is the story told by the paper about stuff they heard, strange enough they didnt mention all the namibian who was part of this hunt, as was a south african ph, who was in charge of everything, we were mere the agents/consultants that joined the hunt, always remember theres always more than one side to a story, like nobody mentioned the fact that we made a case with the police the day the ph disappeared with the money on no permit was produced, and the south african ph was acting as the leading ph cause it was her client, see all this was not mentioned, so i ask from all, considder before judging, we are working with mr Ling from Napha to keep everything in order and in line, and like he said to me yesterday, they dont want us to leave namibia and stop promoting namibia, they just want to make sure with us that everything is within the laws, so if anybody would like to know more about anything, please ask me, or contact mr Ling from Napha.
just to add, what about the land owner, the ph of namibia, the owner of the dogs who organised the hunt, the south african ph, then again also ph of namibia who was the so called dog handler, why would he be paid 10 000 for the day, aswell as the dogs owners which was his business got a big chunk of money, the land owner who received 15 000 for the leopard, who he after wards claimed to have a problem animal permit, and the south african ph who got a big chunk of money, and all this was paid by the south african ph who brought the client, he did a plaingame hunt aswell with all permits in order, so, again i say remember there are always more than ons side of a story, in this case there was 5 partitipants, of which i have to say we made a mere R1000.00, yes that is correct, and if we wanted to hunt illegal why would we have told the SA ph to hire a namibian ph for the leopard hunt, we could rather have taken the money for ourselves, but we didnt, and we did the right thing, and the man with the dogs who we were referred to by the registered hunting farm owner, where we conducted the plainsgame hunt, he then said he had a ph for the leopard hunt that was free, and knew how to work the dogs and conduct the hunt, which afterwards was not the truth, so like i said there are many sides to a story, since then it has all been resolved according the law of namibia, and we wil still keep on promoting namibia for hunting, just always to make sure we use the right people thats truthfull,
and lastly, we did not act as the ph on the leopard hunt, we stayed on the vehicle while the SA ph, the namibian ph with the dogs and the hunter did the hunt, only afterwards after the leopard was taken we joined them and took pictures with them.
10-01-2011, 05:21 AM #46
- Member of Spitskop Safaris, SCI
- Hunted Spain, South Africa, Namibia, Canada
thank you very much Jose, memories ill always carry close to my heart.
10-01-2011, 06:24 AM #48
- Member of NRA,Missouri hunters ed, SCI, Owensville Gun Club, Quail Forever
- Hunted USA, South Africa, France
very well done, and with the 06', that makes it even better.
10-06-2011, 08:35 AM #49
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- Hunted Namibia, South Africa, Zimbabwe, France, Spain, USA
Official NAPHA Statement in regards to the comments made by Charl Kemp on the AH forum
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10-06-2011, 03:37 PM #50
I wont comment on the legal questions in this matter, and its a great trophy anyway. But looking at the pictures, i can`t understand how the left horn can be 11 inches longer than the right one, even with a more prominent ridge. I could be wrong, but still...? Maybe someone could explain to me?
10-06-2011, 03:47 PM #51
Here is a pic of an 36,5 inch bull, to compare with.
10-06-2011, 08:50 PM #52
- Member of SCI NRA DSC life memberships
- Hunted Mexico, Namibia, RSA, Germany, Austria, Argentina, Canada
This is a strongly ridged bull which went 38"."We sleep peaceably in our beds because rough men stand ready in the
night to visit violence on those who would do us harm" Winston Churchill
10-07-2011, 08:29 AM #53
Took another look at the pics, and the left horn does appare longer when you look at the pic with the bull in the bakkie. Looks like it bends backward. I appologise if I have been wrong. Nice bull anyway.
to set clarify everything, never did i say i was registered in namibia as ph, nor did i say we do the hunting ourselves, we act mere as agents and nothing else, other than that we only hunt once a year for ourselves, and we have all permits that are paid for, to prove where and when, so we do not hunt illegal, we do not hunt unethical, we hunt other peoples farm so we cannot do as we like,we hunt within their rules,and we pay the prices that the land owner wants, and if i shoot more than one eland, because the farm owner asked me too and it is permitted by an official permit, i think no hunter would let the chance go by if someone asked him to shoot 2 eland for him, so please tell me anyone, would you let the chance go by if someone asked you to do that? i took 3 eland in total, one for myself, and 2 for the farm owner, now everybody is critisizing me on this, well...if they want to carry on thinking so it is their own choice and personal oppinion, i hunt within the laws of namibia, and nature conservation, and we mostly for meat, if a decent trophy comes along once in a lifetime, i think no hunter would let the chance go by, seing that it is open farms where we hunt, the animals could pop out on any farm ,i think it is just the luck of the hunter who stumbles uppon a one in a lifetime trophy, the problem is just no one will ever be satisfied because i took this eland, it should have been some or other big hunting outfitter with a big client who pays big money, but i rest my case, doesnt matter all the criticism, i did nothing wrong, all within the laws, stipulated on our hunting permits, and within the rules of the land owner, it was always my dream to hunt a big eland bull, and my dream came true, just some people are jealous, envious, and they see south african hunters who hunt in namibia as people who just what to cause problems, which is not the case, we love namibia and it is a beautifull country, we promote it as far as we can, there are thousands of SA hunters that go to namibia yearly for their hunting trips, because namibia is known for their friendly people who always makes your stay and hunt very enjoyable and people eventually end up being very good friends over the years. we have been hunting in namibia for almost 26 years, and we know people all over namibia where we hunt and that are very good friends now.
also the hunting experience in namibia is unique, you still get this wild africa feeling over there with the free roaming animals on the huge open farms, and the animals are known to be bigger in namibia over the years,
i really hope we can put this topic to rest, and just enjoy everybodies hunting experiences and photos from all over, without poeple always trying to be negative and just seek the bad in every way.
just to add guys, yes the elands left horn is bent backwards, looks like he probably damaged it when he was young, and so the horn grew backwards, i have more pics if anyone is still doubtfull.
10-08-2011, 04:26 AM #56
- Member of SCI NRA DSC life memberships
- Hunted Mexico, Namibia, RSA, Germany, Austria, Argentina, Canada
I can see it now and that would add a bunch to the length. Congrats on a huge bull.
I have no opinion on the PH/agent discussion though I am often amazed at the virulence between Namibians and South Africans over a range of hunting issues. For instance, should you want to get an "animated" conversation going around a Namibian fire pit (or this forum) bring up South African Houndsmen and Namibian Leopards. Assuming the bulls were taken legally, I do not see an ethical issue - at least on the hunter's part. However, it is rare that a land owner would want to cull that many of the large animals at one time (the simple logistics of handling five tons of antelope all at once would overwhelm most ranch processing sheds), but the value of eland meat alone would tend to assure these didn't go to waste. The bigger question might go to the permit allocation authority. These appear to have been low fence concessions, and eland travel huge distances meaning the same bulls would have been available to neighboring ranches. A big hole was put in that count over a short period of time - but that, to my mind, is not an issue for the hunter. A friend legally shot three buffalo in Tanzania last summer. I guess we could debate whether allowing that many bulls to be taken by a single hunter makes good management sense on the part of the Tanzanian government, but I wouldn't consider the hunter unethical.
Anyway Charl, great bull. Did you get a SCI score on him? With that much length on the left horn, he is probably well north of 100 putting him well up in the book. The 38 above is a gold medal animal and totalling 99 7/8 and was around number 54 when I took him."We sleep peaceably in our beds because rough men stand ready in the
night to visit violence on those who would do us harm" Winston Churchill
i firstly have to say, when i went out to shoot a eland, it wasnt for the horns, they could have been short, as long as he had a big brown crest ontop, that would have satisfied me more than enough, it just so turned out that this bull had this huge horns, and luckilly i know eland very well and horn sizes, as i grew up in namibia and the hunting farm i grew up on we shot the world record bul in 2000, his score was 110 2/8, longest horn was 46 on the dot. so from my background i know these stuff, but i really first laid my eyes on the horns when i stood next to the bull.
and no assuming wheather the bulls were taken illegally, cause they were all legal by permit, the land owner had a permit for 9 eland for the year to be taken, thats rather little number as you have to take in account the nr of eland constantly on this farm of 8500ha, he had no more hunters for the rest of season that wanted to take eland, so he had to make use of it to some extent, because it is income to the farmer, and most farmers do similar in namibia with open farms, the 2 bulls i took for the farmer where young bulls, they slaughtered the heaviest one and it came to 243kg, and the other one was 218kg, so thats still small , thats about the same size as a eland cow and smaller, compared to the 1 i took for myself which came to 420kg, and we could not take any cows as they were all pregnant,and that would be very very unethical to shoot any cows while pregnant, i took these 3 eland over 4 weeks peroid, we have counted heards of over a 100 at one time, that area has huge numbers of eland, there has been some game farmers that tried to fence in big heards while they were on propperty but the big bulls just jump right through the fence and all others follow then.
even after those eland were taken there were still 3 of the 9 eland left on the permit which were not taken at al, so only 6 eland taken on the farm for the hunting season, i would say thats fair, only 2012 eland will be taken again.
other hunters only took kudu and gemsbuck, as eland was expensive,
my eland score isnt that great cause it has thin horns and the one broken horn, the final score came in at 102 2/8",
A quote from your other post in the Illegal Leopard thread.
"Never .... nor did we say i do trophy hunting myself, ..... and we promote hunting in namibia, if anyone still wants to know anything, please just ask me, ..."
The questions I would like answered are in BOLD
Of course you don't say you are a PH in Namibia.
YOU DON"T REPLY TO QUESTIONS PUT FORWARD TO YOU!
For evidence, look further up this thread!!
Your FACEBOOK site has now had all the pictures of your TENT CAMP at Farm Ravena #977 in Namibia deleted!!!
Looks suspiciously like hiding evidence to me.
Who's quota was that your referring to above?
Farm, Name, PH?
Ngarongombe Conservancy, a mutual voluntary membership of farms south of Otavi Namibia have a Council that "sets" (mutual agreement for conservation purposes) the number of game animals to be taken.
Are you a member of this Conservancy?
Well as a matter of fact you did say you were trophy hunting for yourself for the past six years in your post on the Norma website, referred to earlier in this thread.
Please provide a scan of the various Namibia MET permits you refer to above for your personal hunting exploits in Namibia? (Since you are not acting as a PH in Namibia)
Here are the images of blank MET permit applications. FYI.
The Invitation to Hunt Application
or the Invitation to Hunt -Biltong (not attached)
But because you were Trophy Hunting for 6 years perhaps this application is the one you possess as well?
Application to Hunt for Trophies
Invitation to hunt-1.jpg
Application to hunt for trophies-1.jpg
Application to hunt for trophies-2.jpg
Invitation to hunt-2.jpg
12-01-2011, 06:39 AM #59
- Member of Rowland Ward Guild, SA Hunters Association,
- Hunted South Africa, Namibia, Botswana
Im quite curious mr shooter, i heard about all this comotion about the eland being hunted by a SA hunter, i just cant see what's the purpose of him proving to you he has the permits, are you a policeman/inspector or any of that kind, cause im sure if you so badly want to know MET would supply you with all that answers, dont you think? Mr Kemp is a friend of mine, so im rather curious whats going on, as far as i know he received all his permits, even his export permit from MET and the eland mount is already in SA with Mr Kemp, as he invited me to come and have a look.
I also hunt in namibia, and as far as i know, all permits he needed was his rifle import permit which he receives on presenting his SA temp export permit and hunting invitation from the farm owner,
then also a hunting permit which you get from nature conservation, but in this case you get a general permit to hunt eland on, so he got 2 permits from them for kudu/oryx and 1 for eland for hunting meat for own purposes.
so obviously he didnt have a trophy permit, cause he is hunting for meat, so he only had meat hunting permits, so if by chance he bumped into that big bull, cause as far as i know they hunt on non game fenced farms, it is pure his luck, it would just be a double bogey, cause he is using the meat for himself, and he is then allowed to take the horns and skin back to SA if he gets the propper export/import permits from Namibia and South Africa.
What he did was take the skin and horns to the taxidermy and got it mounted.
He then applied for export permit with his hunting permit, and also applied for his import permit from SA side, for both nature conservation and State veterinary , and he received all the permits from Namibia and South Africa, and since then he transported the trophy back to SA where he stays with no problems at all.
So he did all this according to the law and by directions from people working at MET in Windhoek.
So reckon if someone really needs to see the permits,again, just ask MET in Windhoek, im sure they would be happy to help.
And here is some answers to the questions asked answered by charl:
the quota referred to was that by the owner of the farm, you have the farm name and number, so ask MET for the permit on which the quota were.
Nor the farm nor the farm owner is part of the surrounding conservancy in which it falls, as are some other farms asswell, and and farm owner strictly only works by the the quota nature conservation issues him yearly after assesing the farm, cause his main concern is with his cattle farming.
The pictures were removed from facebook because some namibian outfitters and hunters started asking questions, and also engaged with the farm owner if they could hunt there and thus removing us from the equation, but luckilly we have contracts signed which cover is if anyone was to try so.
also we removed the pictures to just shut everyone up with the negativity, we are not hiding any thing, and we and our friends still hunt on this farm and will continue doing so, cause all the permits of the farmer and ours are all in place with MET and all parties concerned.
Here's the official documents from RW just for intrest sake
Rowland Ward Official Letter.c.jpgRowland Ward Certificate.jpg
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