Package hunt vs. Day rate + trophy fees, which do you prefer?
This is a discussion on Package hunt vs. Day rate + trophy fees, which do you prefer? within the Hunting Africa forums, part of the Hunting Forums - Hunting in Africa category; To all: I see Bigred started a forum and has not come back to provide additional thinking or guidance to ...
06-19-2011, 11:40 AM #21
- Member of NRA, ATA, PITA, NAHC, NAFC, DU, TU, DSC, SCI, RMEF
- Hunted USA - Canada -Tanzania, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Africa
- James.Grage has no Articles
- View James.Grage's Photos
I see Bigred started a forum and has not come back to provide additional thinking or guidance to his initial post...Could it be that he jumped the gun and signed the contract and is now looking for ways to get out of it?
Individuals who book a safari and then start asking for help. Are popping up on this Forum time after time.
Ask your questions before you book a hunt. Everyone has opinions and while Bigred is paying the bills for his safari. The question is being asked after an agreement has been booked.
Asking questions like this is after the fact is liken to closing and locking the barn door after the horses are out, so to say. It is too late in the game to make a difference.
If Bigred has signed an agreement to go on a safari with XYZ Safari company the agreement is in place that was reviewed before he signed.
Trying to renegotiate the contract after Bigred has a signed one in place, is not the place anyone on this forum would like to be in.
I am actually going on a hybrid fee structured hunt where the trophy fees cover all of our typical safari cost. As such, this outfitters trophy fees are about 20% higher than his competitors, but there are no daily rates. To ensure some profitability he does require a non-refundable deposit of $1500.
I'm not sure how good of a deal this is, or wether or not package hunts or the traditional day rate + trophy fees is the most economical. Anybody have any opinion? Also, has anybody ever negotiated trophy fees or negotiated a package price on 3 to 5 animals? Thanks much.James Grage - New Mexico
Hold a steady Eye & Rifle...
"Very few of the so-called liberals are open-minded...they shout you down and won't let you speak if you disagree with them." John Wayne
06-20-2011, 09:45 AM #22
- Member of SCI N.E. Wisconsin Chapter - WisNRA
- Calhoun has no Articles
- View Calhoun's Photos
i agree with garybird as far as the first or 2nd time hunter the package deal is a great way to go as you have no trophies and you have a little more discounted hunt. if you have a reputable outfitter you should end up with nice trophies. i did and that is why i'm in favor of package deals!
06-20-2011, 10:14 AM #23
- Member of sci, pope&young, boone&crockett
- Rocco has no Articles
- Rocco has no Photos
06-20-2011, 12:22 PM #24
- Member of NRA Endowment Member, NRA Heritage Foundation Member, NRA Youth Hunter Education Benefactor Member, New Beginners to Waterfowling Board Member, Anglers for Conservation Member
- Hunted USA, RSA, Canada, Alaska
- bigred has no Articles
- bigred has no Photos
Alright, alright now. Thanks to everyone for their thoughts. To clarify some things, I am going on safari, my flight leaves in about 10 days. I am on a daily rate + trophy fee schedule, but as I wrote originally, it is blended together. Having seen many different pricing structures, and being new to African hunting, I am a bit wary about the best fee schedule. I knew you all would have many points and suggestions so I am thankful for that.
I of course will report back after my hunt, which is a plains game hunt in S. Africa. Thanks again to everyone who chimed in.
This is an issue!
Which ever they do. Most is a maths thing.
We also like to ask the client which trophies he would like to take, how many days he would like to hunt and
compile a package for the particular hunter or group of hunters.
The animals he does not take are refunded. We charge a deposit but all other is paid after the hunt.
I think a deposit is only fair to both!
If you would like to find out more about us please feel free to email me for references.
Have a lovely hunting week-end
09-25-2011, 03:18 PM #27
- Hunted Texas,Namibia,Kansas, Missouri, Wyoming, Colorado, Idaho
- lwaters has no Articles
- View lwaters's Photos
I like the day rate and trophy fee. If you see a eye popping trophy say an eland you can take him and give something else up if you want to stay in your budget.
09-25-2011, 11:21 PM #28
- Member of SSAA
- Hunted Australia, NZ, RSA, Zimbabwe
- Code4 has no Articles
- View Code4's Photos
In response to one (later) part of BigReds original post, everything is negotiable and I mean everything. Bargain hard, be prepared to compromise and always ask 'what can you do for me ?'
Price lists, day rates and some fees should only be seen as a guide.
I look on visiting Africa and hunting there as an experience and am not all that concerned about trophy fees. A trophy for me is nice to get, but not essential. In that respect package deals hold a lot of value to me as the consumer.
I was offered five cull blue wildebeast for basically day rates once and would have gone ahead with it except the conservancy changed hands.
Decide on one key target (pun intended) animal and then build your hunt around getting that species.Time spent in Reconnaisance is never wasted.
10-04-2011, 04:44 AM #29
- Member of North American Hunting Club Trophy Life Member, NRA, Safari Club International, Ducks Unlimited
- Hunted US, Canada, South Africa
- Tom071 has no Articles
- View Tom071's Photos
10-04-2011, 10:20 AM #30
- Member of No. Amer. Moose Foundation, Mule Deer Found; RMEF (life Member), SCI, NRA, RGS, NWTF, PF, DU, Izaac Walton League, Nat'l. Trappers Assoc.
- Hunted US / Canada/Namibia
- joester has no Articles
- joester has no Photos
I too think a daily fee rate is the way to go, most times. List, IN ORDER of preference/desire, the animals you'd like to shoot & discuss the options/possibilities with your PH. On my 1st hunt i really wanted to start with a big ugly warthog but I was never shown one; instead I was shown herds of larger, more expensive species...When I was hesitant to "take" any of these, prices were dropped, there in the field, by several hundred dollars. I never did see a mature warthog but lost count of zebra, eland, oryx, etc. . I was disapointed but I am structuring my next hunt differently.
10-04-2011, 10:26 AM #31
- Member of Northeast Wisconsin SCI chapter, Lifetime member of NRA,RMEF
- Hunted Namibia, South Africa (East Cape, Guateng and Limpopo)
- enysse has no Articles
- View enysse's Photos
It is refreshing to ear that not every one wants package hunts.
We offer both but we also make individual packages for the hunter. We look at what e would like to harvest and then make a packes with the number of days he is thinking of.Another version is to make a package of the hunting days and add trophies as they fall. In the bush you must take what comes along especially f it is a gooooood trophy. I can nearly guarentee that that trophy will not come again .
If any one wants more information please contact us!
If you ave a good PH or hunting guide and an area that is not over hunted you should be able to get good trophies. Even the dream trophy. Namibia still has excellent trophies!!
By KMG Hunting Safaris in forum GREAT DEALS on Hunts WorldwideReplies: 1Last Post: 02-15-2012, 06:33 PM
What animal do you think is the most overrated for the trophy fee? Or daily fees that make it expensive to hunt?By enysse in forum Hunting AfricaReplies: 91Last Post: 12-30-2011, 05:51 PM
By Iliwa Safaris in forum GREAT DEALS on Hunts WorldwideReplies: 5Last Post: 10-19-2011, 09:48 PM
By Steve in forum Hunting AfricaReplies: 12Last Post: 08-17-2011, 08:19 AM
By trigger creep in forum Hunting AfricaReplies: 24Last Post: 11-12-2010, 10:14 AM