had a similar discussion with a doctor at the cancer hospital less than 2 weeks ago
might as well been talking to one of the paintings on the wall
I should have a bumper sticker "If it pays it stays", because in the real world that is close to a 100 % guarantee!
between that one and the intrinsic value concept
im hoping to see the same doctor next week when im back down the city
Kenya: Naivasha Farmers Threaten to Kill Wildlife
BY GEORGE MURAGE, 30 AUGUST 2013 The Star
Farmers in Maella village, Naivasha have threatened to kill all wild animals intruding into the area. They said the animals have been invading their farms and destroying crops.
Joyce Wangui, a maize farmer said the animals sneak into their farms from a nearby conservancy. "They invade our farms in large numbers and we fear because they include buffalos," she said.
Wangui said some farmers have abandoned their farms that neighbour for fear of night attacks. She said that if the situation is not contained, the farmers will be rendered jobless.
Wangui who is a maize farmer noted that if nothing was done to contain the animals they would be "Our farms are the bread basket for towns such as Naivasha, Mai Mahiu, Gilgil and parts of Nakuru and if something is not done then there might be a huge shortage of food stafuus in the market," she said.
County assembly member Mujina Kariuki said some farmers have never harvested anything for the last four years. "The animals have left a trail of destruction and we call for concerted efforts to contain them or we shall deal with them the way we know," he said.
Kariuki said apart from zebra's, gazzelles and buffalloes too have been destroying crops while a lion from the conservancy has been attacking mouling their animals.
He said the male Lion had already killed two goats and three donkeys adding that the residents have been left in fear.
"It comes from the nearby Oserian conservancy but we have had a meeting with the owners and they have agreed to take it to a restricted area".
Poachers use cyanide to kill 41 elephants in Zim
Zimbabwe's Chronicle, Sipho Kings
Poachers have mixed cyanide with salt to quietly take down elephants in the north of Zimbabwe.
Zimbabwe's Chronicle reported that police broke a syndicate of six poachers that killed and took the tusks of 41 elephants in Hwange.
The poachers laced salt with cyanide and put it around large pools where the elephants normally went to drink water. When they died their tusks would then be cut off and taken back to their homes.
The poachers were caught after rangers heard gunshots and went to the scene. They followed the tracks back to a house that was used as a storage space. One of them was then convinced by the police and rangers to phone the rest of the gang and come to the house, where they were arrested.
Police recovered 17 tusks worth R1.2-million in total.
The newspaper also reported the local chief inspector saying: "What they are doing is very cruel because it does not end in the death of the elephants. Animals that feed on the dead elephants will die and those that feed on these will also die [because cyanide stays in the system]."
I don't doubt the story BB, but it's a bit confusing. If they were using cyanide, why did they then fire off a rifle? Of course these guys are probably not the brightest bulbs in the pack.
The sad part is the wildlife not only the elepants but what of the lions and leopards that would eat this meat. I'm glad the poachers were caught but if this cyanide were to get into the water would it not kill everything that drank the water even people? :(
Warriors Kill Lion in Samburu
BY RAABIA HAWA,
10 SEPTEMBER 2013
A lion was killed at Kalama Conservancy in Samburu on Friday.
The eight-year-old lion, named Loirish, was sleeping under a tree with his brother when warriors attacked them.
The warriors burnt his head to destroy his collar. Wardens at the conservancy had fitted a collar on the lion for hourly updates on his movements. Loirish was fitted with the collar to guard against herders in the area. The burnt collar was found with the lion's remains.
In a statement, Ewaso Lions stated: "We are extremely saddened by the loss of Loirish.
He was only one of 40 lions within our study area".
"We are working with the community and local officials to determine the course of action."
Investigations into the killing are ongoing with a combined effort from Ewaso Lions, Kalama Conservancy, Samburu National Reserve rangers, Kenya Wildlife Service and Osotua Wildlife Foundation.
Another one bites the dust!
That collar sure helped guard him.
a very interesting thread. I learned quite a lot about lions from some of you here. I hope we get to talk about them more.
One thing that really surprised me - was that someone ate cat meat. it would not have even occured to me to try to eat lion meat. and frankly, I have eaten a lot of "weird" foods in Africa. now there's a good topic - maybe we will start one of those discussions. Hahahaha! But anyway, I'll stick to meat from warthogs. that is some fine meat from Africa :-)
i think the problem that PH's are having is that clients are showing up from the West and they have some sort of "list" of animals that they think they must shoot. and if they don't get one of these animals - suddenly they are acting disappointed, or perhaps it is the fault of the PGH or the game farm. That is ridiculous. Really, it is an immature way to approach Africa. I will say this openly, because I know the PH's don't want to offend possible clients. But if you come to Africa on any kind of safari - just go out and enjoy each day. Each day accept life for what AFRICA gives you - and set aside all your hopes from your homeland. Africa is not a place. Africa is a world all of its own. So if you can clear your heart and your mind - you will learn a lot and enjoy a lot. Instead of criticizing your PH, enjoy his company and see how he looks at life. You will come away with riches, instead of being disappointed because you did not bag a kudu or a lion :-)
received this one....
An aerial view of a pride of lions feeding on a buffalo kill in the White iMfolozi riverbed in KwaZulu Natal.
Well said, we should and can never under estimate the value of Game ranches in SA on conservation as a whole, ranchers in SA are so often criticised by operators and clients alike from other Africa countries, and I mostly believe that it is in pure ignorance...
Don't get me wrong I love hunting in wilderness areas hence our involvement in Mozambique, but the writing is on the wall... IMO
We would all like to have kept Africa as wild as it has always been but gentlemen hear me today those days are fast disappearing, in a developing Africa, some useful facts about ranches in SA....
Thanks PHASA -Role of Private Wildlife Ranchers & Hunting:
Today we have 10 000+ privately owned game ranches in South Africa covering an area of 20 500 000 mil hectares. around 45 million acres, This is land that supports wildlife and is mostly marginal agricultural land.
In contrast, the Government Reserves collectively cover a mere 7 500 000 mil (15 million acres) hectares.
A huge portion of the privately owned land entertains hunting, with a portion which entertains photographic tourism.
South Africa has approximately 6000 foreign hunter tourists visiting our country each year, and the game ranching and hunting industry accounts for approximately R8 Billion to the GDP each year, and its growing.
Employment is created to well over 100 000 people directly; the domino benefit to families is exponential.
This huge conservation success story which began in the late 1960s is all as a result of the value that was and is placed on wildlife, including rhino. Today there are +-19 000 rhino in South Africa, of which 5000+ are on private land.
Upepo what you are saying is spot on as PG hunting in South Africa will spoil most hunters... :)
My best always..
Shooting or Hunting: What is it to be?
by Gerhard Damm and Peter Flack
More than a decade ago, representatives and leadership of organized professional hunting in South Africa condemned the practice of shooting canned lions in the country and they were in good company with practically all associations and clubs in Africa and around the world in agreement. We reported quite frequently on "canned shooting" issues and, when researching the subject, I found in African Indaba Volume 4 # 5 (September 2006, page 9, see attached pdf document), the article "The Shooting of Captive Bred Lions" the subtitle reading "PHASA (Professional Hunters Association of South Africa) Policy Statement issued May 2006".
One phrase from this Statement deserves to be mentioned "... any member who may be involved in the shooting of captive bred lions is requested to refrain from such activities or resign (his/her) membership of PHASA. Furthermore, PHASA is going public with this stance. A letter will be sent out to the media...". Reference was made to a PHASA Policy Statement of 1999, which reads under point 1 that "PHASA hereby states categorically and unequivocally that it does not consider the practice of "canned lion shooting" to be a form of hunting" and under point 4 that "PHASA deems an animal to be canned, when that animal cannot sustain itself, breed freely and be hunted under the principles of fair chase".
Now we heard that PHASA has made an about turn and adopted the position of the South African Predator Breeders' Association (SAPA) on this matter without alteration (African Indaba has a copy of the PHASA document dated 20.11.2013). What used to be canned lion shooting is now called "Hunting of Captive Bred Lions". Sounds better, doesn't it? But it still remains the same old thing. It reminds me of the old Grouch Marx statement, "Of course I have principles. But if you don't like these, I have others!" Something like this must have been on the mind of those who elected to embrace the money-making machine of canned lion shooting as old school outfitters and professional hunters were apparently steamrollered by the vast majority of PHASA members who adopted the SAPA policy on lions. In this regard, we shouldn't forget the political support for this position by some of the Conservation/ Environmental departments in South Africa's nine provinces.
"... PHASA has taken a very strong stand against the hunting of captive bred Lions and we reject the hunting of any captive bred large predator under any conditions... We don't want canned Lions! It discredits hunting and it serves no conservation purpose..." (from a speech at the Limpopo Wildlife Exp, 2005)
We often hear that the canned lion industry only exists because there is a high demand to shoot these poor beasts but you can probably also reverse this argument, at least to certain extent, if you look at the advertisements for lion "hunts" on the internet, which usually portrays a South African lion "hunt" as a breath-taking adventure. Another argument claims that "the hunting [sic] of captive bred lions assists the conservation of wild lions by reducing hunting pressure on them".
Well, there is indeed a high demand for hunting a lion in the African wilderness. But lion hunting and their annual quotas are tightly regulated and controlled in all range countries which allow lion hunting. The quotas in these countries will always find eager hunters willing to pay the high prices for the privilege of hunting a wild lion; even if the chances of harvesting a mature male lion are 50/50 at best and not a few hunters go home empty-handed. This category of hunters will continue to hunt wild African lions and thus contribute to lion conservation in more than one way,
This cannot be said of the other type of "hunter" who opts for the "guaranteed" shooting of canned South African lions. Their money goes to the lion breeder and the professional hunter and not a cent finds its way into lion conservation. It is a well-established fact that this kind of lion breeding has no conservation value. If the argument of reduced hunting pressure on wild individuals by hunting captive bred animals has any validity, the question must be asked why do we not then hunt captive-bred large carnivores like grizzlies in North America or brown bears in Eurasia?