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    Personally i will never hunt lion or any other predator. I live in south africa and if you don't know these animals you get comments like the one where they do not deserve to hang by the other trophies. i hunt for meat if you are not going to eat it why shoot it? is it a case of trying to compensate for the lack of manhood? i did rifle hunting for a long time and found it to be boring as it is too easy..... rather walk and stalk with a bow. and leave the sticks at home it is embarrassing.... if you can't hold your rifle to your shoulder start off with something smaller..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaser View Post
    Personally i will never hunt lion or any other predator. I live in south africa and if you don't know these animals you get comments like the one where they do not deserve to hang by the other trophies. i hunt for meat if you are not going to eat it why shoot it? is it a case of trying to compensate for the lack of manhood? i did rifle hunting for a long time and found it to be boring as it is too easy..... rather walk and stalk with a bow. and leave the sticks at home it is embarrassing.... if you can't hold your rifle to your shoulder start off with something smaller..


    Chaser,
    i share your sentiments / views about hunting for meat - as i also hunt annually just for the meat. As a matter of personal conviction and choice, i will also not hunt predatory animals of which the meat cannot be used in my house.
    However, your comments on bow-hunting versus rifle-hunting (boring / easy / embarrassing) i find lacking real substance.

    * .....Hunting sticks and / or fixed bi-pods has nothing to do with not being able to shoulder a hunting rifle. They are purely to steady the hunters aim, and to enable the hunter to ensure his shot placement is accurate and effective as so to cause quick death and the minimum suffering to the animal. Same as your different 'weights' you fix to your bows - what is that for....is it not to steady your shot to ensure accuracy?

    * ..... As for 'boring and easy' to hunt with with a rifle, sticks or not, my friend - please come join me here in Namibia on a hunt for Kudu and Gemsbok (Oryx) on the farm where i hunt anually. I will not go into hundreds of examples to justify my claim that it is NOT boring and NOT easy. This year alone, i painstakingly leopard crawled almost 400 yds day one and a similar distance on day 2, in sparesely vegitated savannah - to bag my Oryx. I deserved that Oryx - i worked damn hard to get him.

    I will not even tell you about my kudu hunt last year - hardest i ever worked to get that critter bagged ON the mountain, and then OFF the mountain.

    Carefull to generalize too much on certain hunting aspects, your personal views is but one view, and you know what - there are still a lot of us that hunt 'old school' - the more we suffer, the sweeter the meat.

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    Animals have been hunted purely for their hides for a long time... it is right and good to use every part of the animals you kill but a hide is a hide.

    To say that people are wrong for killing an animal for his hide or for taxidermy creates a lot of problems for your argument. Technically, there is really no reason for 99% of us to kill any wild game with how readily available domestic livestock are. You don't need wild meat any more than the next guy needs a wild hide.

    We hunt because we enjoy it, we take trophies because they remind us how much we enjoy it.

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    husb.......glad you responded to this.

    Conservation and game management extends well beyond the species that many consider to be 'meat' animals. Predators need to be managed as do furbearers. If that needs to be explained to you Chaser then you must have a very narrow field of experience with wildlife and wildlife management.

    Your other comments are not only pompous and arrogant, they do not warrant a response other than the fact that in my view they constitute 'trolling' on a hunting related website.

    Some will undoubtedly view my response to this as being on the harsh side. It was meant to be and I do not apologize for it.

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    +1 to Skyline's comments.

    It seems a bit odd to go to a hunting website and then make a version of an anti-hunting comment, especially a rude one.

    Chaser, don't take this to mean that I have a problem with your position. I don't. If that's how you feel, that's your right. Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's. If you want to make a moral argument out of it, why not state that 90% of the game shot by Europeans or Americans in Africa is never consumed by them.

    Just don't tell me that if I engage in predator hunting that it's to compensate for a "lack of manhood", or some such nonsense. You're allowed to think that, I suppose, but if you come to this site and make those sorts of comments you're just being childish. If you want to be taken seriously as something other than a troll, improve the strength of your argument and come back with some facts on your side.

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    Kelly your response was not harsh enough. What Chaser wrote was a direct insult to us. He must be a jackass troll, as no real hunter can be that stupid.

    BTW I have killed animals with rifles offhand, on sticks, prone, from box blinds, crawling on my belly, etc. and will never apologize or make excuses for any animal I have killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaser View Post
    Personally i will never hunt lion or any other predator. I live in south africa and if you don't know these animals you get comments like the one where they do not deserve to hang by the other trophies. i hunt for meat if you are not going to eat it why shoot it? ...
    Chaser:

    If your philosophy of shooting only what you personally will eat were adopted worldwide, there would be no foreign hunters with their dollars and euros traveling to your country and an entire industry would vanish, along with a significant percentage of the world's wildlife.

    There are several reasons that 99.9% of the animals we foreign hunters kill in other countries are not consumed by us. Here are three:

    1. We can eat only so much meat while on a hunt.

    2. It is expensive enough to ship hides, skulls and horns. just imagine what it would cost to ship several hundred pounds of frozen meat halfway around the world.

    3. U.S. laws do not allow us to easily import meat from foreign countries.

    Now, is there a reason you haven't tried eating lion and caracal?

    I have often eaten Arizona mountain lion and bobcat, and had two meals from a big male lion I killed in Zambia in 1994. I would have loved to have brought its backstraps back home for my friends to enjoy.

    Cat meat is clean, white and delicious, and there is no reason it should not be consumed by humans. Some Asians and native Americans also eat dog meat, but I've not yet had the opportunity to try it.

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    Hi Chaser, good to stick to your "guns" on this topic and I support you not hunting predators...since you are not going to be doing so, may I shoot your quota?

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    I hear what you guys say and some make sense and some don't. Any predator is in my opinion is to amazing to shoot. i don't want to end a life and then not eat it. And no i will not eat any predator they were not put on this earth to be eaten but to bring balance to an eco system.
    the weights we put on our bows has got really nothing to do with it we still hold the bow with our hands without any other support.
    I have never used sticks i shot my first animal when i was 7 years old with a 308 and it was at 250 metres.a warthog. after that i loved rifle hunting...... after i turned 16 i realised it was too easy. i saw a guy at alldays shoot a kudu at 400 plus metres. and alot of the times you just have to drive with your landrover along side the fences and you don't even have to get off you shoot standing from the back of the landy.
    now with the bow we do not take any shot further than 20 or maybe the longest 30 yards. if you are good enough.
    you tell me is it easier to shoot 250 metres out or to stalk for a few hours and get close enough for a 20 to 30 yard shot.
    and no it is not the foreighn hunters who keeps our industry going. we have enough hunters here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fhm3006 View Post
    Chaser,
    i share your sentiments / views about hunting for meat - as i also hunt annually just for the meat. As a matter of personal conviction and choice, i will also not hunt predatory animals of which the meat cannot be used in my house.
    However, your comments on bow-hunting versus rifle-hunting (boring / easy / embarrassing) i find lacking real substance.

    * .....Hunting sticks and / or fixed bi-pods has nothing to do with not being able to shoulder a hunting rifle. They are purely to steady the hunters aim, and to enable the hunter to ensure his shot placement is accurate and effective as so to cause quick death and the minimum suffering to the animal. Same as your different 'weights' you fix to your bows - what is that for....is it not to steady your shot to ensure accuracy?

    * ..... As for 'boring and easy' to hunt with with a rifle, sticks or not, my friend - please come join me here in Namibia on a hunt for Kudu and Gemsbok (Oryx) on the farm where i hunt anually. I will not go into hundreds of examples to justify my claim that it is NOT boring and NOT easy. This year alone, i painstakingly leopard crawled almost 400 yds day one and a similar distance on day 2, in sparesely vegitated savannah - to bag my Oryx. I deserved that Oryx - i worked damn hard to get him.

    I will not even tell you about my kudu hunt last year - hardest i ever worked to get that critter bagged ON the mountain, and then OFF the mountain.

    Carefull to generalize too much on certain hunting aspects, your personal views is but one view, and you know what - there are still a lot of us that hunt 'old school' - the more we suffer, the sweeter the meat.

    Rgds
    Nice you c maybe i should have explained a bit better. some of these guys are ready to get a heart attack. i can apreciate a guy who stalks and hunts that way who actually works for his animal. all the oversease hunters that i have seen hunted here want's us to corner the animal for him he wants to shoot it and then finish a bottle of whiskey and then take the head and leave.

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    Oh man Chaser...!!!

    you are generalizing again, i am sure now you have raised blood pressure levels all over.

    I personally know a few foreign hunters and they are avid and ethical hunters - and enjoy working for their animal just as much.

    It is not just some of the foreign hunters (you know) that hunts like that, in my journeys to RSA and also here in Namibia, i have seen plenty RSA and Namibian hunters that have the tendency as described in your last paragraph.

    Income from foreign hunters is a definite major player in the anual income of the hunting industry / farms in Namibia - i disagree with your comments that they do not contribute hugely to these industries, in Namibia and RSA.

    Ready yourself for some red hot comments.....

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    At this point all I can say is that individuals such as Chaser do nothing to make me want to stay on this forum. Based on his posts I know it is pointless to waste my time addressing what he has said as it would really boil down to having a dual with an unarmed individual.

    I can say that if I was a moderator on this forum no one else would have to worry about reading any more of his posts. I am sure that some find this sort of poster amusing. I do not. At this point in my life I simply find this type of individual to be annoying and if I want to raise my blood pressure I can go into any little small town coffee shop in any state, province or country and listen to small minded local hunters spout this sort of moronic drivel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fhm3006 View Post
    Oh man Chaser...!!!

    you are generalizing again, i am sure now you have raised blood pressure levels all over.

    I personally know a few foreign hunters and they are avid and ethical hunters - and enjoy working for their animal just as much.

    It is not just some of the foreign hunters (you know) that hunts like that, in my journeys to RSA and also here in Namibia, i have seen plenty RSA and Namibian hunters that have the tendency as described in your last paragraph.

    Income from foreign hunters is a definite major player in the anual income of the hunting industry / farms in Namibia - i disagree with your comments that they do not contribute hugely to these industries, in Namibia and RSA.

    Ready yourself for some red hot comments.....
    Its as i say some that i have seen hunting here with us i did not say all hunters from other countries. and i did not say they don't contribute i just ment that our industry will not fall apart if they are not in it. yes all types of hunting has their bad apples in my very country you get unethical hunters. you get them everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline View Post
    At this point all I can say is that individuals such as Chaser do nothing to make me want to stay on this forum. Based on his posts I know it is pointless to waste my time addressing what he has said as it would really boil down to having a dual with an unarmed individual.

    I can say that if I was a moderator on this forum no one else would have to worry about reading any more of his posts. I am sure that some find this sort of poster amusing. I do not. At this point in my life I simply find this type of individual to be annoying and if I want to raise my blood pressure I can go into any little small town coffee shop in any state, province or country and listen to small minded local hunters spout this sort of moronic drivel.
    Why don't you without being insulting explain your point of view to me. This is a forum and it is there so people can give their opinion. So give me your outlook on things without being insulting and you never know maybe this "moron" understands your point of view.

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    .. Interesting responses!! I do think South African hunting would fall apart quite quickly without foreign hunters as I don't see too many people in south Africa being able to afford the daily rates charged down there! I asked my outfitter how many africans hunt his property yearly & he replied 1 or 2 excepting if you're cull hunting! With the thousands of outfitters down there & that few of hunters they would be in a world of hurt damn fast!!
    ...As for the other remarks about being too easy etc. I learned a long time ago to keep my mouth shut, don't knock the other hunters but respect their choices & get along!! There are way too many Anti's out there & we have to band together to stop them! Dividing the troops will do nothing for you! If you say a rifle is to easy well----- I wouldn't go that far!
    ... As far as eating a preadator, I was always told that was taboo! But as I have heard more & more hunters talk about eating the cats they shot my mind has changed. at At least to say I would try it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    .. Interesting responses!! I do think South African hunting would fall apart quite quickly without foreign hunters as I don't see to many people in south Africa being able to afford the daily rates charged down there! I asked my outfitter how many africans hunt his property yearly & he replied 1 or 2 excepting if you're cull hunting! With the thousands of outfitters down there & that few of huntersThey would be in a world of hurt damn fast!!
    ...As for the other remarks about being to easy etc. I learned a long time ago to keep my mouth shut, don't knock the other hunters but respect their choices & get along!! There are way to many Anti's out there & we have to band together to stop them! Dividing the troops will do nothing for you! If you say a rifle is to easy well----- I wouldn't go that far!
    ... As far as eating a preadator, I was always told that was taboo! But as I have heard more & more hunters talk about eatting the cats they shot my mind has changed. at At least to say I would try it!
    you see here it works like this you have farms catering for hunters from overseas and obviously they will adjust their pricing to be in line with that. and there is also a hel of a lot of farms not catering for overseas clients and that is where we hunt cause there we pay prices that is inline with our market. That is why you don't sommer find us hunting on farms catering for hunters from abroad the prices are not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaser View Post
    all the oversease hunters that i have seen hunted here want's us to corner the animal for him he wants to shoot it and then finish a bottle of whiskey and then take the head and leave.
    I have found Chaser's posts to be very entertaining. His opinions on so many things are so very absolute one cannot help but be entertained by his naivety.

    It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big5 View Post
    I have found Chaser's posts to be very entertaining. His opinions on so many things are so very absolute one cannot help but be entertained by his naivety.

    It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
    you can have this forum HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! i had my fun!!!!!!! just had to c if the centiment the people have was true......... and i can honestly say i do.

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    I didn't want to say the "troll" word, but it seemed like that was the intent from the start. Probably an anti-hunter stirring things up. It seems as if there is nothing wasted when a game animal is shot in Africa. Everyone seems to benefit.
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