A question to those who have had a "bad" hunt in Africa
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01-17-2014, 08:22 AM #1
A question to those who have had a "bad" hunt in Africa
Here's my question- Where did you find your outfitter for the bad hunt? Was it at a public hunting convention, on the internet or an auction?
I'm wondering if a pattern can be developed to show where the highest chance of problems seems to occur?
Has anyone ever had a "bad" hunt when it was purchased from an outfitter showing at DSC or SCI?
Just looking for a pattern if there is one.IF YOU GO ONCE-YOU WILL GO AGAIN-DEAL WITH IT
01-17-2014, 08:34 AM #2
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I think this can become an intresting thread! Will surely be monitoring. As always i think the members will participate. Well done in advance CliffyGerrit Jansen van Vuuren
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01-17-2014, 09:10 AM #3
01-17-2014, 10:31 AM #4
One bad hunt was an internet: guy said one thing, did another in person, didn't keep to the terms of the contract.
Another hunt was a auction hunt: PH was very pushy to shoot anything that had a pulse.
I may be pushy at times on AH, but try not to let people get involved with questionable hunts. I did a lot of my hunting before AH. And AH is heaven to learn about what is right and what is wrong in the world of African hunting.
01-17-2014, 10:39 AM #5
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Good topic Cliff,
Fortunately I can't participate in this thread and hope I never will be able to. I will be watching this topic to try to keep from making others mistakes. Thanks."TIME"........God's way of keeping everything from happening all at once.
01-17-2014, 01:02 PM #6
I do hope we get a lot of participation on this because "unfortunately" I have never had a bad hunt in Africa but I want to see where all the concern comes from.IF YOU GO ONCE-YOU WILL GO AGAIN-DEAL WITH IT
I was very fortunate for all four of my hunts. My dad booked them through an agent at one of the shows. The first hunt was so great that we just stuck with his outfit from then on. We used the same travel agent as well. Never let down
01-17-2014, 04:36 PM #8
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A bad hunt could be broken up into many areas.
1. Lodging - Food
2. Game - or lack of.
3. Trophy Quality
4. PH -
5. Booking agent or Outfitter.
6. Travel -
enysse - the one on PH's pushing to shoot anything moving is easy. If you have went over your priority and the PH continues to guide you to animals off your list. You have options.
You either do not shoot or you shoot to miss.James Grage - New Mexico
Hold a steady Eye & Rifle...
"Very few of the so-called liberals are open-minded...they shout you down and won't let you speak if you disagree with them." John Wayne
01-17-2014, 06:04 PM #9
True James, but I am just trying to get a handle on where guys find the outfitter/PH when they do have something go wrong, no matter what the issue was. Looking first at that direction to see if there is any correlation. I have a hypothesis but don't want to share it right now.
I'd just like to get some first person accounts here on this thread first.IF YOU GO ONCE-YOU WILL GO AGAIN-DEAL WITH IT
01-17-2014, 06:21 PM #10
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Cliffy, sorry I can't help you out. My safari was a great hunt purchased at auction and an SCI event. We, my father and I, are already planning on our next one.
01-17-2014, 06:38 PM #11enysse - the one on PH's pushing to shoot anything moving is easy. If you have went over your priority and the PH continues to guide you to animals off your list. You have options.
You either do not shoot or you shoot to miss.
01-17-2014, 10:46 PM #12
" If you hang me out to dry...believe me I get angry!"
As I would also!
enysse- I enjoy your posts. Sometimes we think alike:-) :-)IF YOU GO ONCE-YOU WILL GO AGAIN-DEAL WITH IT
01-17-2014, 10:55 PM #13
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01-18-2014, 02:11 AM #14
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01-18-2014, 07:43 AM #15
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I only have two trips under my belt and both were great.Going on two this year and spent alot time looking for who I feel is right for me so hoping all goes well.But doing my search I have talk with people who have had bad trips.The most common thing that came up was pressure to shoot animals that maybe they did not want or animals that were not the size they wanted.Going with a hunting budget sometimes means you may not be able to take even a great animal trophy size wise that may not be on your list.They felt pressure to change say from a kudu to an eland becuase the eland was so big but they went with the dream of getting a kudu.Taking the eland would have meant no kudu on that trip.Sometimes the client does not want the option or feel forced to even think of taking the other animal.I would not say that would ruin a trip for me but maybe make for alittle rough patch in the trip.But I also understand the ph/guide is trying his best and hates passing up that once an a lifetime chance as they come along.
01-18-2014, 08:40 AM #16
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My first trip was an auction actually purchased from a booking agent. Everything fine with the trip. Had a wonderful time. No complaints until trying to get trophies handled and all hell broke loose when I found out how big of a crook my PH really was after my return home from the trip. (several threads on AH ref this matter and PH) Was able to get trophies back with the help from a friend here on AH.
Second trip was from an outfitter here on AH (Koedoeberg) Excellent trip in every way. I certainly have learned from my first trip experience on what to look for and the proper questions to ask when planning a safari, mostly with the assistance from the fine folks who post here on AH. I see that there are many reputable outfitters right here on AH and that's where I plan on finding my future outfitters.
01-18-2014, 08:42 AM #17
I must admit most PH's hate me, they think they're talking in a language I don't understand. And they will be telling everyone this guy can judge a animal on the foot better that guys with 20+ years of experience. You can't fool him. He will shoot a very good animal or nothing.
01-18-2014, 09:34 AM #18
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