Hypocrisy Or Bad Examples?
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Hypocrisy Or Bad Examples?
I get the whole concept of vegetarianism and even if I may not agree with it I can respect the choice of the individual.
What I don't get is the bizarre position of people who do eat meat yet are against hunting. There has been a debate raging in the Dutch parliament recently about this hypocrisy and the disgusting disconnect between modern Western urban dwellers and nature.
Here is a story I wrote exploring the question.
I would most appreciate any feedback.
Yin and Yang
Ying and Yang
I lay there, immobilized with fear, as the dentist approached me, instruments of pain and suffering in her hands and a look of the utmost contempt on her face. I tried to speak and failed horribly. The clamps, pads and other foreign objects stuffed into my mouth prevented anything but an incoherent gurgle.
Desperately, I tried to gesture to wait and ended up banging the tray of instruments that hovered over me, earning a sharp rebuke from the enormous Zimbabwean nurse, together with a vice-like grip on my wrist. I was close to panic, I could only imagine what this gargantuan helper would do to me if she felt she needed to or in fact she wanted to. Then I noticed the voice in the background. It was ACDC's Brian Johnson singing "highway to hell". No doubt about it now, I was in a living nightmare. My shoulders slumped as I realized the terrifying reality of my horrifying situation. There was only one option left. I began to scream shamelessly
A short time earlier, my pretty little dentist had been smiling, Cliff Richard had been singing "Summer Holiday" in the background and the nurse had been half the size. It had been like a little sanctuary of peace in a timeless paradise.
Then, the stunning reason for my wanting my teeth checked out said, with her sexy Polish accent, "you not from here, why you in town: special to see me?" (The last said with a look that could drive men mad).
"Sort of", I replied innocently giving her my best smile in return. I had been brushing my teeth 12 times a day to prepare for this. "I have been in the bush for so long and unable to get back to see you; but I had to pass through town so thought I'd seize the opportunity".
Then I made my fatal mistake. "I have to shoot a buffalo not too far from here tomorrow" I said, naively wondering to myself when I should ask her out for dinner.
She passed out of sight and I assumed the silence was due to concentration as she picked up the mouth thingies.
As her gorgeous face reappeared over me and she began to insert the hardware into my mouth, I began to notice that her previously sweet, sparkling eyes had changed from those of an angel to those of a hound from hell. Then a now demonic-sounding Slavic voice emanated from her, saying, "you kill nice animals. I not like people who kill nice animals".
I wanted to tell her that it was a wounded animal that was suffering and needed to be put out of its misery and how ethical hunting was a natural thing to do that help support the Parks, and so on and so forth, but it was too late!
Then I heard a clunk as the hypodermic containing the anaesthetic I was pinning my fading hopes on was dropped into the bin. I was doomed, doomed, doomed...
Seriously now; this may come as a surprise but I have a great respect for vegetarians. I'm a bit nervous of militant former Soviet-bloc vegans, but all in all I appreciate the fact that vegetarians are people who practise what they preach.
To be frank, what I really find intriguing is the position of people who do eat meat... and are against hunting.
When asked what they feel about hunting most people in the Western world will come out in opposition to it. Yet, strangely the vast majority of these same people will happily sit down and eat a steak. Pretty weird some would day, or even hypocritical...
It is quite obvious that the vegetarians would be against it, but meat-eaters?
Is it really hypocrisy? Could it be ignorance maybe? Or even something else entirely, such as hunters behaving badly? How about a combination these?
Well it's easy enough to find out. Next time you are sitting with a group of non-hunters, ask them. I do it all the time and invariably receive the very similar answers.
The first thing point to come up will usually be the perception that hunting is destructive to the environment and in particular certain species, especially endangered ones. This sometimes comes as a shock to responsible hunters.
However, perhaps they are just ignorant rather than deliberately hypocritical, so let's be open-minded. Put yourself in the shoes of these non-hunters for a second. Assuming, that you are just an average person who lives in an urban area and doesn't actively seek out very controversial subjects. what would you pick up in the media to lead you to form such an opinion?
Picture this scene. A television journalist, shaking with outrage, tears streaming down her cheeks, points to piles of migratory birds of prey littering the ground on the small Mediterranean island she is investigating. Next a series of loud reports interrupts her choked words and the camera turns to a small cinder block bunker-like construction from which shotgun barrels protrude. Then, more shots are heard. This time, accompanying recoils and fumes from the shotguns are clearly seen.
We jump forward in time. Now our heroine is bravely confronting the "hunters". She is insulted, threatened and the camera-man is assaulted. It all ends with the accused racing off in a battered sedan, rude gestures showing clearly out the windows and leaving their kills to rot. Mostly endangered or threatened species of course...
Never mind the average non-hunting, European town-dweller; I too was outraged by this barbarity. In fact I was shaking with anger and ranting and raving about how these maniacs should be hunted down themselves. They weren't hunters of course. They were poachers, the lowest of the low as far as I am concerned.
Sadly the same behaviour continues in many countries quite legally, thereby making them not poachers but legal "hunters". Quite obviously what these morons were doing is bad for the environment and that is unethical and therefore unacceptable. Personally, I believe that only ethical hunters should be called hunters, full stop. The rest should be referred to as poachers, regardless of whether what they are doing is legal or not. Poaching should refer to both illegal AND unethical hunting.
Let's get back to our non-hunter question and answer sessions.
The second thing that usually comes up is cruelty or suffering caused to animals hunted.
Now the deliberate wounding of or cruelty to animals is usually covered by the law. Well it is in civilized countries anyway. I think any hunter with a normal upbringing, living in a normal community and not currently institutionalized will agree that anyone who is deliberately cruel to animals should get help before they move on to mass murder or serial killing. However, the non-hunters see hunting as often cruel and the cause of suffering.
On this point, aside from the bad behaviour of medical hunters, I believe the television and film industries are partly responsible for perpetuating the myth that wild animals in the wild live an idyllic existence without any pain or suffering. Obviously that's nonsense and only the ignorant and out of touch with reality wander around believing that. Unfortunately though, there are plenty of people who really are that ignorant and out of touch with reality wandering around!
At this stage I usually ask the non-hunters if they prefer "free-range" meat or battery-farmed" meat. Of course the answer is always "free-range" (even if they secretly buy the cheaper stuff). Why? Because it's a nicer more natural environment for the animals to live in and invariably the meat will be healthier to eat too.
For some reason our non-hunters don't usually notice the obvious; that wild animals are the most "free-range" animals under the sun. This point usually makes a big impression when pointed and is often accompanied by remarks such as "'I never thought of it that way" and "wow" (accompanied by distant look).
After a while they will usually return to the point about suffering in this vein, "but farm animals die a more peaceful death than animals that are hunted."
After explaining that an animal that is shot correctly by hunter using the correct calibre endures a lot less suffering than one that endures the small and sounds of an abattoir or one that dies a more natural death by predator, disease or old age.
That also makes an impact but very often the response is only too true, "that's all very well as long as the hunters do actually use the right weapon for the quarry and kill cleanly".
Yes, back to ethics. Again we are embarrassed by those fools who can't behave or who don't educate themselves. Someone who is not competent simply shouldn't go near game or firearms.
Let's move on to the third point that comes up. The story of those fools slaughtering migratory birds over the Med also falls into this category: Waste.
Many people feel hunters are only interested in hunting only so that they can mount a trophy on the wall. Well it's true in some cases in many places and in many cases in some places. Furthermore, although some countries have laws that require a hunter to remove the entire carcass from the hunting area, I have yet to come across a law that says that nothing if possible, should be wasted.
It may not be a law but it should certainly be standard good conduct for all hunters anyway. Surely the animal deserves to be honoured and respected by all hunters?
The last point that usually arises is image, or the perceived psychology of the hunter may be a better way of putting it.
People who have never hunted often view the killing of an animal as a necessary evil and therefore the thought of enjoying it is somehow very wrong. I believe most Europeans fall into this category. This I believe is a result of a total disconnecting with their natural environment whereby they do not have any experience of the entirely natural thrill of hunting that is a built-in part of us.
I am sure you will agree that the combination of challenge, outdoors, thrill, danger, objective and more is impossible to describe to someone who has absolutely no experience of anything like it.
This is the toughest of all to change. How does one convince someone that a hunter has more right to hunt than a non-hunter has to eat meat? How do you explain to them that they have lost the innate understanding that all men once had; that life is about struggle and death as much as it is about beauty and peace - Ying and Yang?
I guess the conclusion to these musings is that hunters need to think about what they do and how they do it and make sure they do what is right. At the same time non-hunters need to be educated and a few, who really are hypocrites, like the bad hunters, should be exposed for what they are. I do however strongly feel that these dishonest people are, for the most part, a minority. The real problem is ignorance.
As for me, I need to brush my teeth at least twice a day and keep my mouth firmly shut around vegetarians.
Rory J. A Young
17th April 2013
04-17-2013, 08:28 AM #2
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..isn't 'vegetarian' an Apache word meaning 'bad hunter'..?
04-17-2013, 08:44 AM #3
there is a big problem with people being disconnected from where meat comes from. but i think this applies to people in cities in most 1st world countries not just europe. i know they take kids from inner cities in the uk and give them questionnaires about where things come from including meat, milk and eggs etc, just about 100 percent said the supermarket and didnt have a clue they came from animals. to them they came as meat /chickens wrapped in plastic film. some are now being taken to farms in the country to give them an idea of what the reality is.
Lol! Well said.
You're right, it's not just Europe..