3800USD!!! Mid-Asia Ibex Hunt Kyrgyzstan

Originally Posted by prezboys

Igor,

Yes you are correct on the fee's. But not on what was a greed too with your outfitter in Bishkek. No hunter out there would send you the balance due for a hunt that went the way it did, unless they know for sure that their hunting trophies are in good shape. The day of our arrest and detainment in Karacal Kyrgyzstan, we had a sat phone with us. We contacted Adilet numerous times asking to come to straighten this out with the police as we were detained. He kept saying his father was on his way, 4 times he said he was going to come or his father to straighten the mess they put us into and correct it. Well I can say the neither Adilet or his father ever showed up to bail us out or to help us in anyway. I believe they felt that they too would have been arrested. That day the temps in town were in the 70'd F. The skins were held for a week without being properly salted or cared for before Adilet said they were picked up. Something I'm not completely sure was ever done... So I have a concern for the shape the hide/cape is in at this point. I have said from day one that I would gladly pay for the costs associated for the hunt in full. I had the money along in cash for the entire payment for the hunt as well as further cost to be associated for the Roe Deer hunt that never happened either. I had made arrangements with the US Fish and Game Department in advance of our hunt to gain entry into the US for the horns and skins. I had every intention on taking my trophies back with me on my return flight. I was the one who at all time was going to keep my end of the hunt , the booking and the costs at all times. It was Adilet who knew they made a mistake on the hunt who did not accept our money at the end of the hunt as sign of good faith and offered to make things right by stating he would send the trophies to us in 2 weeks time at his cost and that payment once we received the trophies could be made to you , Igor, once we have had shipment in hand. I'm sure the court of public opinion would agree that yourself as well as the outfitter should have gone out of your way to insure that our trophies were well taken care of , shipped to us and would expect that hunters who have profound ethics would be honorable and keep to their work and pay you in full as all three of us hunters have stated from the beginning. It is you Igor and your outfitter in Bishkek that are greedy and unprofessional that you are changing the game after the start of the hunt. You are a booking agent, you are representing your clients to the outfitter, your morals should be set to a high standard. I believe this is not the case. Us three hunters have been wronged, by you, your outfitter as well as numerous government officials of the country of Kyrgyzstan. You can threaten me to not ship my trophies all you want, as all who read this will know that you are the one who is wrong. If you do not ship them everyone will eventually know that you are not to be trusted and in the end you will have to live with your choices.

Steve,
Do you undestand, that you make a show hier?
You are waiting only two month for you trophy!!!
And you did not paid the trophy fees and you didn paid the hunting fee full ( +300USD!!!).
The hunters for exaple who hunted Africa waiting more for the trophy shipmet and dont think, to send e-mail every week to outfitter with e-mais: i will destroy you bussiniss!

Steve,you have written me the first letter and I have answered at once you that the trophy will come not earlier than December. Do you remember?
The first letter and your threats - I will destroy you bussiness!!!
Last week Adioel has started to prepare sending of your trophies and asked you send the money - and you have started to write at africa forum.
How me to trust you?

I very much regret that you had to pass because of our competitors 200км by the car more to Karakol. You hunted in Naryn. And officials from Karakol had no right to specify driver to carry you to Karakol. Anybody didn't arrest you and didn't hold in prison
Please,only don't write that you were in prison and you there tortured. People can think that you were in Guantanamo.
You spend only 4 hours for 200kilometers more driving by car.
You perfectly know that this handwork of competitors to which don't like our successful hunting.

Your roe deer hunting has been planned as the second trophy.
The first trophy was an ibex.
We are planned the hunting in Chujsky area to do and to combine it with ibex.
However last hunting for ibex there has appeared not so successful and my friend Stefan couldn't take an ibex there. The ibex has left highly. he took only the roe.
We have made decision to change your hunting area with Ad and to send you to Naryn where we thought more chances at to take a trophy
If you have told, that for you the roedeer is more important as ibex hunt, we would go to Chuy area with roe deer.

This is your trophies:

Igor,

I thank you for showing the pictures of the Horns. It would also be nice to see that the capes are in good condition too. SO if you can get or have pictures of them please post . I will go this far in reconciling this issue. Us three hunters will place in escrow all the money we owe for the hunt with our import broker in Chicago Coppersmith. You can verify that they are holding this money and then ship our trophies (Capes and Horns ) to Coppersmith, once we receive the shipment and can confirm that the skins and horns our in good shape the import broker, Coppersmith will release the money to you for payment in full.

I have been contacted by several Forum Members here by PM and they all agree that this would be a fair way for both of us to each get what we want from this deal. SO I am willing to do this if you will agree to this as well.

Please post a reply .

Steve

Fair jesture Steve. Hopefully, this can be worked out. I know you guys want your trophies!

Buff Buster, Yes I think so too. I am doing more here to come to a resolution and be fair about this.

Igor,

I once again am offer to settle this fairly as us three hunters will place in escrow all the money we owe for the hunt with our import broker in Chicago Coppersmith. You can verify that they are holding this money and then ship our trophies (Capes and Horns ) to Coppersmith, once we receive the shipment and can confirm that the skins and horns our in good shape the import broker, Coppersmith will release the money to you for payment in full.

I have posted this last week and am waiting to hear your reply to this!!!

I have been contacted by several Forum Members here by PM and they all agree that this would be a fair way for both of us to each get what we want from this deal. SO I am willing to do this if you will agree to this as well.

Please post a reply .

Steve

As an update to the goings on with us trying to get this resolved. We have agree, just yesterday with the outfitter Adilet Ulukmanov and with Ibexhunter to pay in full the amount owed to them for the hunt, if they would cover the cost of what we would have to pay the US Import Broker for their fees for us to import the trophies into the US. The outfitter Adilet Ulukmanov, stated in an email that " We are not being serious" in our attempt to get this resolved.

In addition I have asked the outfitter to provide some pictures of the capes and hides of the Ibex so we have knowledge that they were well taken care of and that the hair in intact and not slipping. The outfitter Adilet Ulukmanov stated that " We will just have to take his word that they are in good shape" He also made comments of "That shit happens on hunts and that nothing always goes as planned". This was made in reference to my inquiry of the mistakes that were made on our hunt and the fact the the police had confiscated out Ibex in relation to what the outfitter had not done with the proper paperwork or documentation.

We had everything arranged with US Fish & Wildlife in advance to clear our trophies with them in Chicago on our return flight. They actually met with us in Customs asking were our trophies were. We arranged this in advance so we wouldn't have had to use a import broker here in the US.

We have now came to the conclusion that we will never see out horns or capes from this hunt, we also realize that all along this was never going to happen and that they the outfitter, Adilet Ulukmanov or the booking agent Ibexhunter had any plans on insuring that we would get our trophies complete and in quality shape. I can even imagine if we had sent the funds and then still not received the trophies as promised. We have done the hunt, have the memories of the hunt and even have some fantastic pictures of the Ibex we all took. I will just have to place a picture of my Ibex in my trophy room, rather than the mount of the animal.

If there is a respectable, honest outfitter who offers Ibex hunts I would like for you to contact me as I am most interested in returning to get the mount I so desire. I will take the money I have from this last trip and apply it towards a new memorable hunt in the future.

I am posting this here in order to help fellow future hunters, help them know the ins and outs of a hunt overseas and what to expect. If anyone needs any follow up info on this hunt or details on the outfitter or booking agent. I can be reached at PHprez@gmail.com

Steve