Bosman, you have taken an extremely defensive stance to my post, which in all intent and purpose, was a request for information.
If you have a specific objection to providing requested information, so be it.
To suggest my post implies to badmouth anyone,legitimate Zimbabwe operators or any respectable Zimbabwean citizen specifically is certainly a long bow to draw, but again you are entitled to your interpretation on that as well.
Frankly, I find your demeanor and reaction to all of this dissapointing, particularly from someone who is specifically trained to deal in an industry that is client service driven.
And with regards to the options you provide to your inquirers to either "come and hunt or shut up", i think I will excersice my right to do the latter.
Good health and good hunting to you Sir.
Mike I know to tell people to shut up will not do me any good but with you always assuming we are doing thing wrong and illegal will also not help me at all. We have just started in the concession, do you expect a miracle to happen in 4 months? And we are helping the park rangers with what we can and what we have. So Mike it all comes down to, if you have questions, feel free to ask but donít just attack people you donít even know.
I take note of your 6 point rant at me relative to your ' immediate capital outlay and management input' on your new concession thus far, and I'm certainly not trying to have an online fight with you, what you have done is a start point, albeit very small facing the severity/enormity of the situation, and I certainly hope the pliers, batteries and fixing of flat tyres, will lead towards saving what little is left wildlife wise in Gokwe South. However unless you immediately employ a team of at least 45 uniformed, armed, highly mobile, motivated, disciplined, and well led anti-poaching game scouts, it'll just remain like trying to fill up a bath with water after forgetting to put the plug in.
As for intimating that I'm just sitting back saying you guys aren't concerned about the conservation of Gokwe South, you keep missing the point. This issue is about an area that right now as things stand is not viable for SUSTAINABLE YIELD buffalo hunting, it has been milked, and as it currently stands it should be closed totally to hunting, with an active anti-poaching program coupled to an aggressive and energetic education program aimed at the local community. Who through no fault of their own have been driven to poverty through a corrupt regime, and who unfortunately will through the need to stave off starvation continue to poach. From an ethical sport hunter's point of view it would be far more refreshing to hear that in tandem with employing a game scout force you were buying large numbers of captured buffalo for an energetic gene pool reintroduction - but we know that won't happen.
Why don't you identify the Zimbabwe operator who you say is hunting in the park (I assume you mean Chirisa Safari Area)? And who isn't giving any support, HHK Safaris who have the Chirisa concession has always played an active role to help with Park management needs - perhaps attend a ZPHGA meeting and put your complaint directly to them - their PHs will soon put you right.
Bringing Zimbabwean PH/Safari Operator names into the equation and bad-mouthing them is grossly unethical and ill-informed, and won't help matters, I don't know Dudley Rogers personally but he's been in the business for a long time - and he lost a model game ranch at West Nicholson plus every single wild living animal on it to land invaders/poachers durng the early 2000s. His entire life's work, put yourself in his boots for a minute or two - shut your eyes and maybe try to imagine that happening in Limpopo - it might humble you - and it isn't impossible, one day if Julius Malema gets his way it probably will happen, Mugabe is after all his mentor. Having said that, I accept that if a PH has been criticised by client's in Hunt Reports there must have been a reason - however, to have stayed in safari for close to 30 years he must have also been doing something right.
As for bringing race into the debate, what absolute drivel, being a white South Africa with a name like yours you're the last person qualified to play the race card. And as for querying whether it is because he is a Zimbabwean and not black, you're damn right he is a Zimbabwean, and just like me a white and extremely proud one, but we have a right together with a moral obligation to be concerned for the future of OUR NATION's wildlife when we see some of the non-Zimbabwe residents who form hunting pacts/partnerships with dubious politically connected indigenous individuals who care nothing for the future of our nation's wildlife.
They only think about the US dollars they can milk from the system through using those very political connections. And as for the future of Zimbabwe's wildlife, they have absolutely no interest in the ethos of it being "us, the now generation", who are the custodians of these valuable and beautiful natural resources, holding them in trust for those future generations who come after us to also enjoy.
Regards your other point, although it has nothing to do with a Forum of this nature, I'm also quite sure, and despite what you claim, that no Zimbabwean who lives in South Africa is ungrateful for the shelter given them by SA - but I do know when Mugabe's gone a lot of Zimbabwean's black & white will be going home very happy people.
Despite my knowing who your front man is, I will not use his name on this forum, although if I ever read you bad-mouthing unethically on this forum again those many ethical, respected Zimbabwean's black and white in the country's safari and related wildlife agencies, and by doing so placing their well being at risk in a grossly dysfunctional country, I will put his name out and let the readership Google it.
In closure and for the sake of the wildlife, I certainly hope you can make Gokwe South work, but I also dearly hope a few remaining soft-boss buffalo don't have to give their lives to make that happen.
If you'd linked up with one of a number of reputable Zimbabwe Safari operators and said "Hey can I book my client's through you for my Zimbabwe hunting needs?" I can assure you we wouldn't be wasting time debating this scenario, because no matter who/has or gets Gokwe South or North, my views won't change, they need to be rested from hunting, before there is little left aside from yellow-billed hornbills, vultures and baboons, and I know there are many sport hunters out there who will probably agree.
I think this topic deserves a response of some sort as Conservator and PaulT raise some pertinent points about the area where this hunt takes place. It would be interesting to hear from anyone that might have hunted there recently.
It would also be of interest if this hunt is still available.
This hunt is sold out. For buffalo hunts in South Africa at $11000 all inclusive except rifle import cost of $150 please feel free to mail me or go to my website. We have 2 hunts left.
Nothing turns my stomach more that a bunch of outfitters and booking agents in a pissing match on the internet.
You can tell the economy is in the toilet.
I wouldn't book a hunt from anybody fighting like children in this thread.
At least this thread helped me narrow down the gargantuan list of African options for my next two safaris by a few...
Interesting everybody seems to be worried about conservation but yet more politics are discussed than in a government cabinet meeting.
As for Malema LOL what a idiot he is but a puppet for the ANC they will cut him lose as soon as people start ignoring his childish actions.
Folks I feel sorry for a lot of the Zim people and truly wish all of them the best in future heaven knows they have been trough a lot. For us to ensure the good health of wildlife in Africa we all need to stand together and stop pointing fingers.
Good luck to all involved life is short get out there and hunt, and if you are truly worried about conservation get out there and make sure you are the first to make the changes.
Louis van Bergen
I appreciate the passion of the debate, and a deeper understanding of the issues occurring in Zimbabwe because we certainly don't get that information over here to easily.
I too hope that the future brings better things for Zimbabwe, her people and its wildlife.
I look forward to the day I can hunt there...
Are you for real? I contacted you six months ago about a elephant and buffalo hunt which you quoted at $23,000. You said to look you up at the Harrisburg, PA USA show in Feb and we would iron out the details. I looked for you at the show and you were nowhere to be found even though you were listed in the directory. In six months I haven't had one email from you about my hunt. As a result I booked two October 2012 hunts (my son and me) with another well known outfitter. What kind of business are you running?
Originally Posted by GROOTPAN HUNTING SAFARIS
I cannot believe people fall for these sort of "offers"! Come on guys if you are seriuos you have nothing to hide. I also am very aware of whats happening in Gokwe- let us know who your partner is.
Like others have said if you are intent about trying to make a real go of Gokwe with anti poaching etc then I wish you best of luck. I have to say I doubt your good intentions. A boxes of shot gun shells pliers etc aint going to do it I am afarid. I will be happy proved wrong!