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Last Minute Cancellation Hunt on a White MAle Lion!!
http://www.africahunting.com/hunting...le=5268&size=1
Original Price was $49 000us asking price now $39 500us
http://www.africahunting.com/hunting...le=8399&size=1
This Price includes a 3 day Hunt!!! Can either be Hunted Alone or added to a Package!!!
DONT MISS OUT ON THIS GREAT DEAL!!!!!
Contact Me for more INFORMATION!!!!
Werner,
Is a can opener included or do we need to bring our own?
Tom
Dutch, LOL!
Can we say canned? I think so.
Hi Tom
Fortunately for this hunt a can opener wont be necessary , but can bring one for opening the beers!!
best regards
Werner
Hi Dutch
There is a huge difference in hunting a captive bred Lion and shooting a canned Lion. You are more then welcome to go on this hunt and see for yourself and then decide whether this is canned hunt as you refer too!!!
Regards
Werner
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Originally Posted by CheetauSafaris
Werner, with all due respect, perhaps you can explain this "huge difference" to us all. I for one am quite interested in hearing how a "3 day hunt" for a captive bred lion differs from a canned hunt.
Having hunted lions on multiple occassions over the years I cannot imagine how a 3 day hunt for a lion can be considered something less than canned. In my past experience lions hunts have generally been booked for upwards of 21 days to afford a reasonable opportunity to locate and kill a quality lion.
Just when I thought this offer had disappeared for the last time...
it rears its ugly head AGAIN!
MERCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!:banghead:
There is nothing wrong with this. All hunters have different interests and we should not pass judgement on others and how they chose to hunt.
We all have to stick together as hunters.
Collectors are just hunters with different goals, we all have different goals and no one should sit in judgement.
As long as it is legal it is okay.
The hunting of captive bred lions will help save the wild ones. (Okay I know there aren't many white ones.)
Hunting a lion behind fence is more dangerous.
On these fenced hunts it is no different than hunting on an island.
If it is okay to hunt plains game in this situation, why is it not okay to hunt captive bred lions?
Some people don't have the time to go on a 21 day hunt.
Some hunters are physically challenged.
(I don't think I have missed any.)
:laughing:
Skyline, I don't necessarily disagree with anything you've said in your post. My point was solely one of semantics. Things are what they are, therefore call them as they are rather than make a claim of a "huge difference". However, because I do agree with the various points you've made perhaps it was a point I should not have pursued.
I understand you are trying to play "devil's advocate", but I am going to have to disagree. Plains game may be hunted behind fences, but those properties that are fenced in are usually pretty large. As long as the animal can elude the hunters and has plenty of room I see no issue with a fenced in property. However, there is no way in a fenced in area where the animals have room to roam, that you can hunt 1 specific animal. That makes this a canned hunt imo. This right here is what anti-hunters look for to use against us. The more stuff like this, the more power the anti's have at their fingertips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyline
I am not here to debate you Skyline, just wanted to post my .02 cents.
Boys..............if there was a tongue in cheek Smiley face, I would have used it. Just being a smart ass and listing all of the lines of justification I have seen used when I have posted my dislike for this sort of 'hunt'. With out fail I have been told how we are all suppose to just accept these things. I never will and I will go further................I strongly object, as a hunter, at being lumped in with those who will pay a huge sum of money to shoot a white lion like this or a 400 class bull elk on a hunt farm with a tag in its ear.
It is not right. It is degrading and I do not understand why more hunters will not stand up and call it what it really is. In the end it is this sort of thing that will be our undoing and God knows we have enough detractors as it is. Call me an elitist, call me a snob.............I say what has happened to hunters as a group? Why have we allowed hunting to be degraded to the point that this sort of thing is going on? When it comes to this, it is just about killing something exotic and doing it in an expedient fashion. As a group we are in grave danger of losing the very essence of what hunting was and is suppose to be all about. We do ourselves a grave disservice and there are a lot of people out there who really need to look deep within and ask themselves if they like where things are going.
Hi all,
Touchy post :-), i fully agree with what Skyline has said. The fact is this is a legal hunt. So let it go for what it is and to whom it suits. I personally would never do such a hunt. But as mentioned above some people have the cash and love such hunts.....
What's next...I have only one hour, please tie a White Lion to a tree ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyline
OK, everybody else has had a "shot" at this topic (pun intended), so I will too...
Skyline hit pretty much all of the justifications for captive-bred shooting. His points are hard to argue with, even if you would never consider this type of thing.
Hunting for the experiences you get out of it: If shooting a captive bred lion is not fun for you, don't do it.
I would never take an offer like this because it does not meet MY expectations of hunting. I could never even call this "hunting".
HOWEVER, I don't blame Werner one bit for putting up the offer. He needs to make a living just like the rest of us.
- browningbbr
And I agree with you 100 percent browningbbr. Lets face it, if the demand was not there, people would not be raising them to kill. It is no different than I agree that the elk farmers have a right to sell their elk hunts if people want to go and shoot an elk in a pen. It is their livestock and they can do with it as they please. My issue is with 'hunters'.............I have been to elk farms and watched these so called hunts. I was embarrassed watching it and I was embarrassed for the hunters who were executing those bulls.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningbbr
I have said it before, where does it end? If it is okay to hunt lions that are raised in pens and released to be shot, why not grizzlies, black bear, cougar? Heck you can already shoot mountain goats, dall sheep and bighorns behind high fence in Nebraska and there is a game rancher selling bighorn sheep hunts in Saskatchewan. The whole thing makes me cringe.
Skyline, even if your post was meant to be tongue in cheek many of the items you listed are becoming the reality of the day. Would I do it? Absolutely not. But the fact remains that the trend in hunting seems to be heading toward private land and high fenced hunting areas as has been in commonplace acceptance in Europe for centuries.
As far as North America goes one only needs to look toward the many fenced deer hunting opportunities which are spreading throughout Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. These hunting ranches have even gained a legitimacy through FNAWS, SCI and Dallas Safari Club advertising and convention exhibiting. It should not be necessary to point out the increasing advancement of fenced private land hunting which got its real African toe hold in South Africa in the 1970's, or perhaps even a little before that. It's now common place in present day Namibia and even in places such as Zimbabwe with the creation of the Save Valley Conservancy back in the early 1990's. The explosion in archery hunting interest in recent times has even furthered the desire and justification in fenced hunting.
Many of the justification points you listed in your original post are in fact promoted by many of today's various hunting organizations in their effort to expand the boundaries of the sport to include, young children, women who would not otherwise have an interest in 'roughing it' and even to include severely disabled people who may previously have dismissed the thought. In North America and Africa it is becoming commonplace for families and even lone individuals to book a hunt at a so called 'luxury camp' which has all the amenities of a luxury resort. TV's, swimming pools, cabins or chalets with en suite toilets and shower facilities, etc. Again, not for me, but this seems to be the trend.
In this newly defined evolution of 'hunting' we have even creating what is being termed as a 'green hunt'. It of course began with Rhino's but where is it going to end? I killed my Rhino with a .416 and to this day I remain uninterested in 'darting' anything. But I do see where this practice is going. Over and over various animals will be put to sleep by way of a dart, photos will be taken and then the animal will be awakened with a counter dose injection. That's where we're headed like it or not. Again, I don't like, but again that's where we're going.
Many of us who may not like these new trends in hunting may be classified as dinosaurs or perhaps a term much less kind. But make no mistake that's where it's all going. Again, many of today's credible hunting organizations openly support hunting tactics that were spoken against only a few years ago. In the beginning SCI, like Boone and Crockett, was a supporter of nothing less than fair chase free range hunting. In an apparent effort to stay with new trends SCI varied from that position at some point because the 'Exotics' and 'Estate' record book categories were created to include non indigenous trophies and those taken on fenced properties. That tells me there must be a strong backing.
Hunting is going in a new and different direction that many of us dinosaurs do not personally agree with and would not ourselves partake in. But a new direction is in fact where things are going. So I submit that perhaps many of us dinosaurs would be better off if we stayed out of the mix. The alternative can only be that of creating more havoc within our own ranks. As dinosaurs our definition of proper hunting and the so called ethics we maintained seem to have evolved.
I therefore remain of the opinion I should have stayed out of this. As previously mentioned I really only wanted a clarification response with regard to the claimed "huge difference" anyway.
Big 5..........well said. I will head back to the swamp as well. :)
Skyline. . . we've discussed this before my friend, we are in fact dinosaurs. We can only stubbornly maintain our own deeply held ethics and teachings when it comes to hunting.
Admittedly my earlier thought was; hell, I guess he's decided to espouse a more contemporay and all inclusive viewpoint more in line with his recent organizational appointment. I should have known better. You just ain't gonna change, no way, no how. Nor will I! . . . . got any more room in that swamp?
I am sorry, it appears that I misread your original post. I am glad to read that you do not believe what you posted. If I would've truly thought about the last line in your post, I would have realized you were joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyline