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This is a discussion on Kantanta Hunting Safaris Tanzania 2014 within the GREAT DEALS on Hunts Worldwide forums, part of the HUNT AFRICA category; Originally Posted by Adrian It still doesn't seem right that the SCI figures are hinting that their members are bracketed ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian View Post
    It still doesn't seem right that the SCI figures are hinting that their members are bracketed into some sort of income bracket and that safaris to Tanzania should be made more expensive because a certain demographic can, on paper, afford them. It doesn't help the rest of us on lower incomes afford to get to experience these places.

    Nevertheless, I'm glad a more reasonable method of transport can be offered to get to Valerio's area and I wish him every success.
    I hope a website will be forthcoming so potential clients can see what to expect before they get there.
    I agree Adrian
    what hunting club rates its members on their income ....
    l rate my hunting mates on our abilities .and effort ,along with shared expirences and memories .
    but I would truly love to expirence ,an unique hunting trip to Tanzania .

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    Thank you for your kind words,since i dont have a website at the moment i invite all hunters and friends to visit my group page on Facebook,Kantanta Hunting Safaris you will be able to view our camp,operations and last season trophies.

    Thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian View Post
    that safaris to Tanzania should be made more expensive because a certain demographic can, on paper, afford them.
    Nevertheless, I'm glad a more reasonable method of transport can be offered to get to Valerio's area and I wish him every success.
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    Adrian the safari prices in tanzania arent created simply for a certain income bracket, the logistics of getting to/setting up/supplying the camps and maintaining a presence with anti poaching units throughout the year isnt cheap. also what the govnt wants for the areas has risen dramatically in recent years. you cant compare the prices for certain countries and expect them to be even close due to the vast differences in developement and ease of access to facilities in individual countries that people from the developed world take for granted. and i am willing to bet there are quite a few people who after 7 or 8 hours of the drive in would be wishing they had taken the charter plane option

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    Spike i agree with you in full
    its happens all the time......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantanta View Post
    Spike i agree with you in full
    its happens all the time......
    yup not quite like popping down the road for some fuel and a snack cheers mike

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    Hello Spike,

    Sorry, just to clarify and without wishing to derail the thread further, what irked me was not the actual costs of getting to or from a certain area to hunt certain animals, that is a cross we all have to bear but it appears that outfitters/advertisers/agents can look at the SCI member list and decide that a certain type of person can afford XYZ and base their prices upon that instead of making it a level playing field for everyone.

    It should make no difference to the pricing of hunts and access to them based upon the income. A poor guy like me should pay no more than an an oil tycoon with money to burn. Just because he has more opportunity to travel and more cash should not affect mere mortals in their endeavours to hunt around the world.

    Less well off people want to hunt in Tanzania just as much as rich people, we just need to be given the opportunity and it not be priced outside our budget because the SCI says it's members are generally rich. Choices should be offered that appeal to everyone's budget.

    This has now been addressed by Kantanta by the option of a road option to camp which is good to see, some of us will look forward to the adventure of this means of transport.
    There should be no doubt Valerio's pricing is as competitive as the next person as you can tell by his price list and I'm sure it will now appeal to more people and therefore - I hope - bring more business his way.
    Best Regards,
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    hi adrian if you read my post again i was trying to explain some reasons why its expensive to hunt tanzania and certain other countries, not the cost of internal travel/charters. as far as i know and i am sure valerio or some of the other tanzanian/car etc operators/phs will back me up there is no price fixing cartel to make it more expensive for some rather than others, as its just unfortunately expensive alround for anyone to hunt these places for the reasons i have stated. cheers mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by spike.t View Post
    Adrian the safari prices in tanzania arent created simply for a certain income bracket, the logistics of getting to/setting up/supplying the camps and maintaining a presence with anti poaching units throughout the year isnt cheap. also what the govnt wants for the areas has risen dramatically in recent years. you cant compare the prices for certain countries and expect them to be even close due to the vast differences in developement and ease of access to facilities in individual countries that people from the developed world take for granted. and i am willing to bet there are quite a few people who after 7 or 8 hours of the drive in would be wishing they had taken the charter plane option
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    Adrian, the fact that hunting in Tanzania is expensive has nothing to do with SCI or the fact that they know (or think they know) the demographics of their hunters.

    Two of the major reasons it is expensive is the government and logistics.

    The government has raised concession and trophy fees tremendously since 2007. The cost that an outfitter must pay the government for concession fees now is high. He must then amortize those costs over the number of hunting days he has. In Tanzania you hunt from July 1 to the start of the rains. This is usually November or December depending on where the concession is located. An outfitter in Tanzania only has 4 or 5 months to get all his hunts in verses a RSA rancher who can hunt twice that or more if he wants. (ie: If a concession fee is $60,000 and the outfitter can only rely on booking for 4 months due to the rains he has to cover a $500 per day nut whether he has a hunter in camp or not and the outfitter is not booked every day of those months.)

    Regarding logistics. I can't speak for Kantana but an outfitter I know related these numbers to me about his fuel costs. (I believe these are correct but my memory may be off a bit) He has to drive to drive 8-9 hours to get to a petro station. This takes an employee two days to get 8 drums of fuel. (I don't remember the size of the drums but lets say 50 gallons for a round number) Petro costs over $8 per gallon. This means he pays $3,200 for petro. (less than 10 day supply) If he averages two vehicles using 20 gallons each per day his fuel costs are over $300 per day not including the costs of going to get the petro. A reasonable grocery store ( equivalent selection to an average convenience store) is also 8 hours away and isn't cheap. (ie: Ketchup is $8 per bottle)

    These two examples cost the outfitter $800 per day and don't include wear and tear on equipment (His 4x4 probably cost $80,000 plus in Tanzania including import tax) salaries, profit etc.

    Adrian, the fact is the costs of hunting Tanzania are high. This is what limits the hunters to those that are moderately affluent and above. It has nothing to do with SCI.

    Kantana, sorry to hijack your offer. Feel free to disagree with anything I have said.
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    Sorry, my comments have been misinterpreted and my point obviously hasn't come across in the way intended. I won't make any other contribution to the thread as I fear it has been taken off track and in a direction Valerio didn't plan on it going.
    I completely understand the logistics and costs involved with hunting in Tanzania (and other out of the way places) and all the variables involved and am not against any outfitter covering his costs. It is perhaps the topic of another thread and we shouldn't hijack this one any more.
    Best Regards,
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    Dear all,

    I am trying to promote my business and i would like it to remain that way.

    Thank you for you cooperation.

    Valerio
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantanta View Post
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    We offer road transport from Dar es Salaam to camp with return at $1500,the drive is 15 hours.
    That would be a lot of fun after a 18 hour fight from Home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRICKBURN View Post
    That would be a lot of fun after a 18 hour fight from Home.
    I would do it in a heart beat. Sure there would be the sore butt deal but a road trip across Tanzania would be another one of the highlights of the trip for me.
    The journey is the reward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondhitch View Post
    I would do it in a heart beat. Sure there would be the sore butt deal but a road trip across Tanzania would be another one of the highlights of the trip for me.
    absolutely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantanta View Post
    Dear all,

    I am trying to promote my business and i would like it to remain that way.

    Thank you for you cooperation.

    Valerio
    Vaerio,

    I apologize for getting off topic.

    All the best in promoting your hunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantanta View Post
    Dear All,

    We offer road transport from Dar es Salaam to camp with return at $1500,the drive is 15 hours.
    And so you see, you made my point; there is a choice. If you had listed this choice initially, this discussion would not have gone the way it did. 15 hours in a 4x4 on sometimes rough roads is a verrrrrrry long day indeed. But its interesting and lots less outlay of cash. And before charter flights this is how it was done, and before that it was by ox cart or horseback. What fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondhitch View Post
    I would do it in a heart beat. Sure there would be the sore butt deal but a road trip across Tanzania would be another one of the highlights of the trip for me.
    I agree, sometimes the whole experience and adventure is as important as anything else!
    Best Regards,
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    since we have a second option in getting to the hunting block lets see what happens now......
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