WANTED: SCI top 10 Bowhunting Hartebeest

[zenbear]

You bring up another worthy aspect of the concept of trophy. It is also a measure of something special within us. Often times it has nothing to do with the size of the animals horns or the animal itself. One of my favorite trophies is a whitetail that barely scores 120 but he was my first bow kill. He challenged me for an entire season and when I finally harvested him it represented so much more. I have a 14' brook trout on my wall that is tied into one of the greatest weeks in my life. One of the best parts of being human is that we have the capacity to remember and often trophies are something much more than big dead things hanging on the walls of our caves.When I book a hunt I go with a sense of adventure and hope to weave a nice trophy into a wonderful story that will keep my grandsons jaw slack in wonderment. As for Red Hartebeeste being second rate? Not on your life! I am going in April and only hope I can shoot a top 10 SCI .

 

[Dr.FrankB-Mimic]

They are to me, also.
Do not really understand some objections I read. Zenbear, you mean that when you go hunting in Africa you might better use no PH ? (YOU KNOW, using a professional to help you is not fair to mother nature, right ?)
What is not clear when I say "I am asking for the concrete possibility of harvesting a top 10 hartebeest, and of course in a fair and ethical way ?"
I consider AH a place where friends, with the same passion, talk and learn together, share experiences and projects. It does not look like everybody has my same opinion

 

[bluey]

. I know a lot of people thing they are a lowly subgrade animal. I don't. I have a very high regard for them. They are premier animal to me![/QUOTE]

my wife feels the same way mate
i will be surprised if oppotunity arises and she doesnt take it ,in august

 

[zenbear]

Well I have read some of doctor's other post over the years and he is passionate hunter. But you are right in saying guarenteeing a top 5 animal is probably going to lead to a canned hunt. It would be FAR better to hunt a area known for big red hartebeest and look for one. Some how the satisfaction of that hunt would have to be worthy of any award someone could give you. I wasn't looking for monster red hartebeest on my first trip to Africa, but I happen upon one and that made it so MUCH NICER AND SWEETER at the end of the day. I know a lot of people thing they are a lowly subgrade animal. I don't. I have a very high regard for them. They are premier animal to me!

I just cannot see how a reputable outfit that has an ethical situation , a member in PHASA or its equal could guarantee such a thing. I would be interested to see if any PH here would sell a guaranteed top ten SCI hunt in any catagory? If so where and how much? How could they be sure? In my mind that kind of thing would almost certainly be a canned hunt. I know there are alot of guys out here who sell hunts. Any of you sell guaranteed top 10 SCI animals?

thanks-Jerry

 

[bluey]

ive heard that in new zealand if they have a record book animal they dope it up measure it and then sell it to the highest bidder on alot of hunting estates

 

[zenbear]

That offends me on every level. Why don't they just tie it to a tree before it wakes up.

 

[bluey]

maybe they would if offered enough money. who knows
not my cup of tea jezza .
my wife won an estate hunt last year and the supposedly world no.1 red deer stag lived there and he had 200,000 usd on him
she said there was some huge heads wondering around there mate .
bussiness is bussiness .
like i said not my cup of tea .
she loved it over there and had a great hunt and took some great animal s, she and our daughter made lots of friends and are planning going over there again in 2014 to hunt a thar
free range of course .

 

[enysse]

Zenbear, I think we have to remember that the doctor restated that he was looking for a place to hunt HUGE red hartebeest. Fair question, I thing we should end the discussion there. I wish him the best of luck.
Look at the European hunting market, practically everything is measured and has a fee based on size. The world has changed and I struggle with all the boundaries and regulations.

 

[TOM]

Zenbear, I think we have to remember that the doctor restated that he was looking for a place to hunt HUGE red hartebeest. Fair question, I thing we should end the discussion there. I wish him the best of luck.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[zenbear]

I know he means well . I wish him well on his quest for a huge trophy. I have this idea of hunting and perhaps it's outdated and I'm a dinosaur. I guess I am glad I am I dinosaur. I am sad to think how it will be when I and my kind are all gone.


-Jerry

wasting my life one arrow at a time.

 

[enysse]

We have to remember not to read to much into a hunter's request.
As I learned in anatomy class everyone's perception is different.
We are all dinosaurs in our own unique way. It's natures way I guess..

 

[zenbear]

They don't teach perception in anatomy but rather in psychology and perhaps a cognative science course at most universities. That aside this dinosaur will be glad if he never has to share a camp with someone who thinks they can buy their way into the books .(Even though they probably can and for all I know half the books are filled with purchased entries.) Leave me to my illusions as I hunt in the spirit I was taught.

 

[enysse]

Perception is the brain's interpretation of outside stimuli and events going on...everyone's is different.

 

[Dr.FrankB-Mimic]

Perception is the brain's interpretation of outside stimuli and events going on...everyone's is different.

Perception is, also, in evolution in a normally brained man. There is usually an evolution in the way one approaches "hunting"; at the very beginning, and especially if you are young, you look for 10 days 10 animals. When time passes, you get step by step distant from that way of thinking, and start finding there's nothing wrong in hunting for 7 days without taking a shot.
In my opinion, it is much more fair and serious to approach an outfitter declaring in advance that you are looking for a specifical trophy (i.e., a very huge hartebeest). You are saying "boy, I will not take shots to that kudu, or X or Y, so be aware of that, and do not call me with a general "we have also nice hartebeests", hoping that when I will be there I will shot other animals.
If we see a monster hartebeest 150 mt. away, and no way to arrow it, it will be ok.
This is my way, and of course has nothing to deal with GUARANTEEING a kill.
I only want to go fishing king salmon where king salmon is present, bec. I want to fish king salmon. Years ago, I hunted with bow and arrow a very nice tuskless ellyie; I asked the PH: can you guarantee there are tusklesses in your hunting block ? On the legal side, everything ok ? So let's go (and try to get one, once again in a fair and ethical way).
Thanks to everybody in AH.

 

[mikejones]

Hi,

Easy i would say the outfitter would buy a mixed group at a game sale or from their friends area off load it on his area lets sat 2000 hectares keep an eye on its movements just before the hunter arrives , take him on a wild goose chase finally getting to the spot where its been all the time and shooting it Price wise im sure it would be slightly higher than the normal price but this would not be a problem i guess if the buyer is seriously looking to be in the SCI book... On the other hand price could be the same depending if it was a mix package hunt etc... depends on costs so on ..

cheers Mike

from Holland

I just cannot see how a reputable outfit that has an ethical situation , a member in PHASA or its equal could guarantee such a thing. I would be interested to see if any PH here would sell a guaranteed top ten SCI hunt in any catagory? If so where and how much? How could they be sure? In my mind that kind of thing would almost certainly be a canned hunt. I know there are alot of guys out here who sell hunts. Any of you sell guaranteed top 10 SCI animals?

thanks-Jerry

 

[enysse]

Perception is, also, in evolution in a normally brained man. There is usually an evolution in the way one approaches "hunting"; at the very beginning, and especially if you are young, you look for 10 days 10 animals. When time passes, you get step by step distant from that way of thinking, and start finding there's nothing wrong in hunting for 7 days without taking a shot.
In my opinion, it is much more fair and serious to approach an outfitter declaring in advance that you are looking for a specifical trophy (i.e., a very huge hartebeest). You are saying "boy, I will not take shots to that kudu, or X or Y, so be aware of that, and do not call me with a general "we have also nice hartebeests", hoping that when I will be there I will shot other animals.
If we see a monster hartebeest 150 mt. away, and no way to arrow it, it will be ok.
This is my way, and of course has nothing to deal with GUARANTEEING a kill.
I only want to go fishing king salmon where king salmon is present, bec. I want to fish king salmon. Years ago, I hunted with bow and arrow a very nice tuskless ellyie; I asked the PH: can you guarantee there are tusklesses in your hunting block ? On the legal side, everything ok ? So let's go (and try to get one, once again in a fair and ethical way).
Thanks to everybody in AH.

Oh, for sure, it was late at night when I last replied. You are right perception is integration of information into already learned information. Your mind is always re-evaluating what to keep and what to throw away. And perception is always changing. And I can understand your way of hunting. There is nothing wrong in looking for the right animal. You don't have to kill to know you have gone hunting.

 

[driehoek]

At least the Hardebeest is getting a bit of recognition!
I think they are goofy anmimals and when they run it looks like a rocking horse with jet fuel!!

 

[Norwegianwoods]

I love the looks of a Hartebeest and I am going to hunt one with my bow spot and stalk style this year.
Maybe I will be lucky to shoot a big one, but that will just be a nice bonus