Musgrave Afrika Supreme 375H&H - Proudly South African
This is a discussion on Musgrave Afrika Supreme 375H&H - Proudly South African within the Firearms & Ammunition General forums, part of the Firearms & Ammunition category; Would like any info anyone might have on my 375H&H Afrika Supreme? I got the rifle in the 1980s while ...
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07-17-2012, 04:34 AM #1
Musgrave Afrika Supreme 375H&H - Proudly South African
Would like any info anyone might have on my 375H&H Afrika Supreme?
I got the rifle in the 1980s while I was still in the Safari Business.
The story I got from the dealer was:
The rifle was the first Supreme ever built by Musgrave. Serial Number is XMA001
Musgrave intended to build these rifles for export
The engraving was done by Armin Winkler who Musgrave had brought out from Austria and trained at Ferlach.
The stock is French Walnut
The foregrip is tipped with buffalo horn
Trigger solid gold
Polished Action Mod 90 (as smooth as a Sauer)
Express sights are Holland & Holland
He added Zeiss detachable mounts and a 4X36 Schmidt & Bender scope
The pistol grip has a hidden compartment with two additional front sights drop compensated which I have never tried.
I used the rifle for everything from Buffalo to Steenbuck and tested ammo for Art Alphen of A-Squared. We also tested PMP monolithic solids. Accuracy is amazing and recoil is no more than a 30-06 I think due to stock design. Several of my clients wanted to buy it. I hunted with Peter Capstick around 1990 when Gordon Cundill had Hunters Africa in Botswana and after seeing mine, he ordered a 375 H&H Supreme from Musgrave I saw the rifle before he passed away and it was the only other one I know of. Peter was, at that time, one of the best known authors and hunters in the world and virtually every gunmaker offered him free firearms. He told me the Musgrave was his favourite which is quite a compliment to Musgrave.
In all the years that followed, which included some very fancy rifles at SCI, Dallas, and Houston conventions as well as a visit to Holland & Holland I have never seen a rifle I would rather own. It has the classic English lines but, I think, is better engineered. It is another example of what South Africa was capable of during those difficult times of sanctions and embargoes. This was also a time of secrecy so it was difficult to get more info.
I would love to know more about why they were made, how many were produced, and what it might be worth to a collector.
AFRIKA on side of action.jpgDSC00168.jpgDSC00170.jpgDSC00184.jpgDSC00191 - Copy.jpgDSC00195.jpgDSC00201.jpgDSC00203.jpgDSC00204.jpgDSC00211.jpgFrench Walnut Stock.jpgTwo front sights stored in pistol grip floor plate.jpgAl Spaeth
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07-20-2012, 07:01 AM #2
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Have Musgrave themselves nothing to add for you?
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An incredible piece of art.
If it shoots half as well as you say it does they should be producing them and marketing them.
Thanks for sharing.Practice whispering before you leave for Africa!
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07-20-2012, 03:01 PM #4
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A beautiful well executed piece of working art Al. I'm very envious. I would say if it come up for auction, considering the provinance, which is extremely important, and that it is 1 of 2 known to exist, I would say that it would probably go for $50,000+ US. Mind you, thats just a guess. I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't go for double that.
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07-20-2012, 03:14 PM #5
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Al, go into Wikipeadia and type in MUSGRAVE RIFLE MAKERS. It has a bit of history about the makers. Hope that helps mate?
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07-24-2012, 04:51 AM #8
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..speak to these guy's..they build Musgrave's now...just click on the following site :HOME - TEL 017 819 3415
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07-24-2012, 12:27 PM #9
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Hi Al,
As for insurance, think about how much it would cost you to replace the rifle you have. Then seek an insurance quote, that will give you some idea of how much the rifle is worth. Do you have any receipts and/or paperwork that came with the rifle. Also there's a big Rifle Auction Website based in the USA (can't remember their name), but they auction everything that fires a bullet. Leave it with me and I'll find their name for you. It might take a day or two, but I'll ley you know mate.I'd rather attempt to do something great and fail, than attempt to do nothing and succeed.
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07-26-2012, 04:52 AM #11
Peter Capstick
I mentioned that the only other Supreme I ever saw was Peter Hathaway Capstick's custom Rifle. I have found more info on his and am trying to get photos.
His wife donated his Musgrave to Dallas Safari Club for the 2003 convention auction (proceeds to conservation)
According to the DSC Oct 2002 Newsletter - page 14:
Donor - Capstick Rifle
Desc - Peter H. Capstick's Custom Musgrave Bolt Action .375 H&H Magnum Rifle
Value Priceless
In Capstick's book Sands of Silence Chapter 1 - he says
I had a chance to visit the gunmaking plant of Musgrave, which was some hours south of my Pretoria home. We were greeted by Abe Koch, the general manager, who so impressed me with their general and custom shops that I ordered a .375 H&H Magnum on a Mauser action.
Now, really, when it was finished, I have never seen a prettier or more functional rifle. I have owned custom guns before, but nobody ever put one together like Musgrave did. Owing to the UN sanctions against armaments, Musgrave has had its problems in exporting its wares, but this seems as if it won't go on very long, since, as of this writing, President F. W. de Klerk has just returned from Washington. Musgrave used Grade V Turkish walnut and inscribed on it my personal serial number, PHC-1, as well as inlaying my name in gold on the top of the octagonal barrel. I was quite puritan about the engraving, although Musgrave has some of the best chisel-men in the world. Just the front of the chamber, the magazine floor plate and the bolt knurl were done, but oh, so tastefully, in a soft scroll. Of course, engraving doesn't add anything to the shooting characteristics of a rifle, but coupled with a Timney adjustable trigger and the rigidity of an octagonal barrel, PHC-1 will shoot one-inch groups at one hundred meters with factory ammo all day long. Believe me, when sanctions go, and they will, possibly by the publication date of this book, the best deal in the world is with Musgrave of Bloemfontein, South Africa. The rand-dollar exchange assures that.Al Spaeth
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