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03-11-2010, 11:14 PM #21
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Monish: I've shot both the .460 and the .470. The .460 Weatherb's recoil to me was much worse, and entirely unbearable without its muzzle brake.
Big5: You indeed are fortunate.
03-12-2010, 02:09 AM #22
Yes the .460 does have a wallop , more than the 470 could be because of being a breech loader but 460 is fun to fire has a OOOOMPH !!! to it , may be the shoulders now ,are use to it .
Happy Hunting Bill !!!
MonishITS NOT THE RIFLE BUT THE MAN BEHIND THE RIFLE
03-19-2010, 07:25 PM #24
Just numbers to me...recoil is a personal or relitive thing, the numbers are cold and have little bareing on reality of "felt recoil"...You have stock fit, barrel length, weight of the rifle and other things, and most important is some folks simply handle recoil better than others..I have been shooting big bores my whole life and thats a lot of years..I can shoot any big bore but anything over a 458 Win. or 416 Rem I have to talk to myself before I pull the trigger..I can shoot a .416 Rem, 404 or even a 458 Win as easy as I can shoot a 22 L.R. The .458 Lott and up make me jump out of my skin on ocassion.RAY ATKINSON
03-19-2010, 11:53 PM #25
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I've only ever found recoil to be an issue off the bench, working up new loads. I'm not one to alter a load once I have the performance I need. If it groups well and the velocity is what it needs to be, then I go hunting. I have been out to my favourite rabbit patch not to far from home with the 450 Ackley and I have chased plenty of pigs with it. If the practice is hunting - field positions, field conditions and occasional shooting, I find that I don't even notice the recoil. A barrage of shots off the bench is not a huge necessity for me.
On the same note as Ray's comment above regarding "felt recoil" - I feel the kick out of my featherweight .308 Win a lot more than my .300WBY sporter with it's super recoil pad; but it is a lot louder!
03-30-2010, 12:54 AM #26
The practice makes it perfect , initially when young I did think of the dreaded recoil and use to get pulverized hard since was never a bench shooter, but slowly got the recoil thought out of the pshyce and it felt like a 22 going off the shoulder.and I did overcome my trepidation this way and still shoot quite straight with any caliber bestowed to me.
Hope I am correct !! This has been my perception in taking on to the big bores.
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Each of the ".458 Lott and up" rifles produce more momentum (and in normal rifle choices, more recoil energy) than each of the .22LR - .458 Win rifles you shoot just like they are all the same. That's not a coincidence. Is it? That you don't like shooting rifles that produce a recoil-energy above that produced by a .458 Win? It sounds like you have a wide range of tolerable recoil. And, of course, the stock fitment, size and shope of person, etc... all have an effect. But they all help determine whether the person can absorb X amount of recoil energy, which is one of those evil "numbers" people love to mock. Your body weight divided by the surface area of the bottom of your shoes, is just a "number," but it will tell how quickly you tend sink into mud releative to someone else with different weight and shoe size. Numbers (such as recoil energy) do matter--as do other things..
03-30-2010, 07:28 AM #28
Yes I agree that if you have all of your ducks in a row, namely proper stock fit, etc. etc. numbers do matter and there is of course appropriate energy generated rearward with any given projectile weight and it's velocity. However, learned shooting technique is very important, as is conditioning both your body and your mind.
I find that mentally..............far too many men are pussies when it comes to their mental abilities to push themselves to adapt to things. They feel pain and can't learn to deal with it.
They are soft physically and mentally because it is not PC to force kids to do anything and they grow up into adults that have not had to learn to put up with discomfort. The exceptions to this are people who have suffered with painful illnesses at some point and learned to live with pain or the few who have parents that actually spend a little time training Jack and Jill from a young age to put out a little effort and that help to instill the 'you can do it' attitude.
Most hunters are unwilling to take the time required to learn to do things the right way. You can train yourself to handle heavier 'kicking' rifles. Just like you can learn to mentally motivate yourself to climb that last ridge to kill that mountain goat, even though your legs and lungs are screaming for relief.
Far too many over the last 20 years will call it quits and say they are unable to climb that last ridge. Far too many show up for a hunt with new rifles they are not familiar with and can't handle................and far too many just can't be bothered to put a little effort into anything. It is not just hunters, it is our society today. And when it is too tough and we just do not have the gumption to force ourselves to do it, we look for gadgets too make it easier and we look for quicker and less physically demanding ways to get to the top of that ridge.Skyline Adventures
01-12-2011, 08:53 AM #29
Hi fellow hunters. Today I have done something I never done before, I bought a new rifle because it was absolutely beautiful. Never ever used and when previous owner died a few years back, rifle ended up i'n a wearehouse, got dropped somewhere on the way and stock was cracked. New stock is now made from one of the best stock-maker i'n Germany, and within short, stock will be meeting barrel... Just seen rfle without stock and only pictures of stock, but immediately got hooked. Still can't understand the feeling. Will send i'n a picture as soon as rifle is brought home.
Almost forgot.... Rifle is a Brno custom 416 Ribgy. Will be exiting to feel if there is any diff i'n recoil compered to my Sako HH375.
I think that there are two diferent recoils, one is more a push and another is more a punch.
Example: 300WMag has a recoil factor 377 and 9,3x62 has 418, although 9,3x62 is bigger, in my opinion is more comfortable. Magnum calibers has a punch and not magnum has a push. I am not sure if you know what I mean, for me is a bit difficult explain it in English (I am Spanish)
04-19-2011, 09:19 AM #31
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I agree, recoil is something one has to learn how to deal with. I have found that a synthetic stock has a lot less recoil felt than the pretty wood stock. If you don't believe me I'll put the wood stock back on my model 70 - 30/06 and it hurts like heck after 3 or 4 shots. With the synthetic stock you can shoot all day with it using 150 or 180 gr loads. The same with my 375 H&H. I'm not convinced that those charts & statistics on the felt recoil is correct!!
04-19-2011, 12:34 PM #32
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04-19-2011, 12:54 PM #33
I love these debates about recoil. Recoil energy is recoil energy. Many factors will influence how the recoil FEELS to individual shooters but the numbers dont change. It depends on weight of the gun, the specific loading, recoil pads, shooter position and lots of other factors. I have a .338 Win and a .375 H&H that weigh about the same. There is no question to me that the .375 kicks considerably more than the .338, but thats my guns as perceived by me. Its too subjective to make blanket statements about it. I have heard smaller men state that because of their slighter stature that heavy recoiling rifles hurt their shoulder more than larger shooters. This is a fallacy of course as the heavier shooter offers more resistance to the recoil and thus his shoulder will feel more than the lighter shooter whose body is more readily moved rearward thus lessening the impact on the shoulder. Like much in life, "it all depends".
I've done a fair bit of hunting with a 375h&h, and recoil never bothered me, yet breaking in my 30-06 and setting up the scope left me with a blue shoulder. 20 rounds.
The biggest problem was that the bench was too low, so the rifle butt didn't sit nicely in my shoulder. The small contact area meant that I kept taking the punch in a concentrated spot.
Round 2 saw me use some better technique from the start, and a better set-up and 20 rounds were bearable.
I have however ordered a limbsaver pad, to save myself some tears while I develop some 200gr hunting rounds.
05-29-2011, 02:21 PM #35
Much higher, but also more "slow" push. Not painful, just more feeling of much more power...
In August back to Mozambique for Buffalo, and my first hunt with 416 Rigby.
I can shoot well with everything up too a .30-06 180. So that means I can handle roughly 250 recoil factor points. I guess that ain't too bad considering how young I am! Over the past 3 years I have gone from shooting a .243 Win effectively, to shooting the .270 and .30-06 effectively. Hopefully, by age 18 (4 years away) I will have built up my recoil tolerance even further.
05-31-2011, 12:13 PM #37
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My .338 Lapua could tenderize my shoulder enough after only 3 shots that I knew a flinch was inevitable. I replaced the factory recoil pad with a Pachmyer decelerator pad and now 20 shots will not tempt me to flinch, even so I try to limit my sessions with it. There is no shame in that.The journey is the reward.
05-31-2011, 01:28 PM #38
Moving all the complicated high level math aside, where is my beloved, tried and true Ruger 375? Would love to see the Ruger and the HH 375 side-by-side. I own both and I'm here to say the the Ruger has far more recoil punch then the HH throwing 300 grainers.
05-31-2011, 01:50 PM #39
Its gonna have more to do with stock design, stock material, rifle weight etc. The two rounds are so close together in power that as the great Jack O'Connoer once said, " only a guru of heightened awareness could tell the difference between them" in recoil. Or anything else for that matter, two peas in a pod.
06-01-2011, 12:07 AM #40
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