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Bowhunting ELEPHANT Best Setup

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    It is true that most shots will be close, but I am also of the opinion that one should not get too close. The reason for this is simple, the arrow, and in this case very heavy arrow, needs a couple yards to stablize in the air, for the fletching to introduce proper control over it's flight, therefore I would suggest shooting at between 20 and 30 yards, no less and no more, which has proven the best distance for optimum penetration. For shot placement I would suggest taking a very carefull look at the hide of the Elephant when up close, literally pick the smallest and most precise spot you can identify and shoot for that. Regardless of the size of the animal it is crucially important to "pick a spot".
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    Engee,
    very good suggestions.
    You are confirming me a thing I was wondering about, this concept of "minimum shooting distance" in order to achieve the max possible penetration. My field tests underlined a minimum dist. of 15 mt., not far from your 20 yards.
    Probably, going a bit longer, about 20-25 meters, might give us a little less psichological pressure, increasing accuracy ... and safety.

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    Engee, I finally had, after more than 2 months from shipping, my Big five. It is simply fantastic, and a pleasure to shoot. The only problem I have is speed: it is around 216 fps at it's peak weight of 99#, with the 1108 grs arrow mentioned above.
    By now, I confortably shoot it at 90#, and speed is 207 fps. Energy is over 105, and Mom slightly over 1.
    I am afraid that, bec. of this incredible 2 months of waiting for delivery (Fault is ONLY of USPS, NOT of Athens, they have been perfect !), I will not be able to get the top poundage safely under hunting conditions...
    Do you all think it will be enough ? Better remaining on the 1100 grs arrow, as I would, or going down a bit to 1000 ?
    Thanks guys !

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    By the way, the man on the video, if I well understand, says he shot a 1100 grs arrow at 240 fps ? I can not understand clearly the speed...!

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    I would like to know " Dr " what does that stand for ? Are you a medical doctor ?

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    No, I am a criminal lawyer, and a forensic expert in the branch of Legal Medicine called wound ballistics and reconstruction. When I hunt (better, after a successful hunt), I use to take lots of records, measures, pics etc, in a forensic style way, making a sort of field authopsy, in order to understand in the best way the performances of bullets or arrows-broadheads. Friends and PHs, that after some 30 minutes become a little nervous, always kid me and invariably start calling me Dr. Frank or Doc. This is the reason of the nick.
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    Dr. Frank
    With the questions that you have been asking in this forum, It seems that you don't have much bowhunting field experince. I suggest you bring a rifle as your back up weapon.
    I don't think an arrow weighing 1000 grs compared to an 1100 grs will make a huge difference in final performance. What truly matters is shot placement.
    P.S. I Bow Hunted Elephant and planning to go again but I will bring both a bow and a rifle because if I don't get a chance on a perfect shot, then I'm going to use my rifle.
    The Elephant is one of the most beautiful and intelligent animal in the world and it deserves respect.

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    Thanks, Rocco. I definitely do not have any bowhunting experience with elephant, while I have some in european animals and Africa plains game; the deep respect for elephant, moves me to ask and ask; then, in this subject, it is to remark that opinions vary so much, to be disorienting.
    On my experience with other animals, I found that the correct setup is vital; of course, shot placement is always the final key, but in the real hunting ground there are a couple or variables that are not under your complete control, and can heavily affect terminal performance.
    Studying and also with the help of this site, I set some fixed points:
    arrow shaft will be FMJ Dangerous Game;
    broadhead will be the Aschby 315.
    Now, the doubtful part: how much KE AND Momentum I need to be on the safe side ? This considering I am not used to shoot 100# bows, and variables are the arrow weight and it's speed.
    My XLR8 at 71#: 950 grs arrow at 218 (KE 100,3; M 0,919), 1000 grs at 208 (KE 96,1; M 0.923):
    My modified PSE Axe at 81#: 1108 grs arrow at 207: (KE 105,4; M 1,018)
    My brand new Athens Big Five at 90#: 1108 arrow at 208: (KE 106,5; M 1,022)
    Same bow at 99#: 1108 arrow at 216: (KE 114,8; M 1,062).
    The easy reply might be the more, the better, but...
    I.e.: with the XLR8, I can hold it aiming at full draw confortably for 2 minutes, shot thousands of arrows, hunted extensively etc.
    Wth the Athens at 99#, the let off is fantastic either, and I can open it under ideal conditions (it is only 5 days I got it delivered !!!), but after maybe a heavy week of hunting, a 5 hours walk in the heat, while maybe affected by some intestinal desease, etc. ?
    The PSE is a great and fast bow, but it's let off is really aggressive, and after some 40 seconds aiming at full draw I start shacking.
    I would really be happy to have the experienced opinion of You all, just bec. I respect You AND the animal.

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    OK I understand this is now a bit late but for anyone else thinking of doing the same thing... the issue is the 'energy' not the poundage of the bow! When we put the original (zimbabwean) legislation together (1990), we only had compound bows doing about 230 fps. max with 530 gr arrows! Seeing as nothing had really changed in quite a few years, it seemed acceptable to put a draw weight down too. I had a custom 130lb Continental bow made that was shooting 1100 gr arrows (made up by sleeving a 2400 Easton carbon shaft with a 1916 Ali shaft. and a 150 gr broadhead at 200fps...way enough for Ele. But hunting with clients later (2007) using a 70lb bow he shot through both sides of a Buff at 30 yards with 600gr arrows doing about 260fps (he said)! Technology has indeed moved along. If you can get the 1000gr arrow moving along at 200 fps+ you can safely figure on killing an Ele. Shot placement is of paramount importance and ideally quartering away slightly and tucked in behind the near front leg as it steps forward on that foot. A solid cut to the front 2 balded broadhead with the point filed off to a little 1/8th inch chisel tip to prevent it from curling on hitting bone. Pete Shepley is in very good company when one talks of wounded - some lost and some recovered Elephant.

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