Traveling with guns to Johannesburg via Hong Kong

My wife and I will be traveling from Anchorage to Seattle on Alaska Airlines May 26th. On May 27th We fly to Vancouver BC on Horizon Air. We connect to Cathay Pacific to Hong Kong. We plan on spending 3 nights in Hong Kong before traveling on to Johannesburg to hunt. Does anyone know if we can travel with guns through Hong Kong. Who would I contact to get an import permit if allowed? The reason for this routing is two-fold. Living in Alaska I have accrued a lot of airline miles that I chose to use. Secondly, At 6' 5" I'm tired of shoehorning myself into seats headed to Africa. We were able to get first class tickets for this trip. Any help or guidance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.:confused:

Man wish I could help Good Luck and hope the two of you enjoy Hong Kong.

Found this on a web search..you should consult your travel agent for a better answer..

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  The importation into Hong Kong of arms and ammunition is governed by laws, which require import licences or permits to be issued in advance by the authorities concerned

try googling travelling to hongkong with firearms, it came up with some hk govnt sites and cathay pacifics, but after a quick look i think you will have a time consuming mission on your hands. they seem to be anti any type of item that could be considered dangerous. good luck.......

Since you are travelling such a novel route you are in for an adventure.
Good luck.

http://www.worldshootbali.com/pdf/hongkong.pdf
24-Jul-06 Article

Hong Kong - Transiting with Firearms and/or Ammunition
As it is possible that many participants in the IPSC Handgun World Shoot XV will need to transit
Hong Kong with firearms and/or ammunition on their way to Bali, I thought it would be worthwhile
writing an article to explain local laws and handling procedures, so that your transit through Hong
Kong will hopefully be smooth and uneventful.

Firstly, what does Hong Kong law define as "Arms & Ammunition"? I'm sure you'll be surprised to
learn that many "BB" pellet guns, spear-fishing guns and even empty cases qualify.

Secondly, how can you legally transit Hong Kong with firearms and/or ammunition ? Well, strictly
speaking, you need an Import License and an Export License issued by the Hong Kong Trade &
Industry Department. However I believe that my past representations to the Security Branch of the
Hong Kong Government (the top of the security tree above both the Hong Kong Police and the Hong
Kong Customs), have been successful, because recent experiences have shown that provided you are:
(1) A bona fide transit passenger, who is only stopping in Hong Kong to change aircraft, or
(2) A person intending to visit Hong Kong for a few days, but you surrender your firearms
and/or ammunition to Hong Kong Customs immediately on arrival;
-:an Import License and Export License is generally not required.

However there are certain preparations you should take prior to your departure from the airport at
which you board your flight to Hong Kong:

Transit Passengers:
It is absolutely essential that you declare your firearms & ammunition to the staff at the check-in desk
at the airport each time you board a flight to Hong Kong, and insist that they fly as secure baggage
to Hong Kong, even if they are tagged by the airline through to Bali or another airport.
Customs hate surprises ! If they know your firearms are coming, no problem. In Hong Kong all
transit baggage is x-rayed, so don't even think about not declaring your firearms and/or ammunition
prior to your departure.
Also ensure you keep a copy of your domestic firearms and/or ammunition license and a photocopy of
your Indonesian firearms permit with you at all times in your back pocket or carry-on baggage, just in
case you need to present them to Customs. The Indonesian permit will be sent to your Regional
Director, but you should obtain a copy prior to embarking upon your travels.
On arrival at Hong Kong Airport, you will change aircraft within the same terminal building and, if
your connecting flight departs within 2 hours, it's likely your baggage will be transferred by ground
handling staff, without the need for your involvement.
However, if your connecting flight is scheduled to depart more than 2hours after your arrival flight,
you may be paged in the transit lounge and asked to accompany security personnel to the airport
tarmac in order to personally identify your bag containing the firearms or ammunition prior to it being
temporarily transferred to the Customs armoury in the passenger terminal.
This glitch arises because there is no armoury on the tarmac, and the authorities are only willing to
guard your guns in open view for 2 hours or less.
If it's deemed necessary to move your firearms, two or more members of the elite Hong Kong Police
Airport Security Unit may be present on the tarmac. Do not be alarmed at their presence or at them
holding MP5s. They're not there to shoot or intimidate you; they merely need to secure your baggage
pending transfer on-board your departing flight !!

In any case, this should be a smooth and uneventful operation and it's unlikely you will be given any
grief, apart from being asked a few pertinent questions. However if there happens to be a rookie on
duty when you arrive, he may get excited and want to find out whether somebody is "smuggling"
firearms and/or ammunition through Hong Kong.

This can happen anywhere in the world, so just stay calm and deal with the situation as cooperatively
as possible. You're not a criminal or a terrorist, so don't act like one !
Of course once you arrive in Bali, our dear friends from the Indonesian Practical Shooting Association
will be waiting for you in the arrivals area, and they will be delighted to assist you with local customs
clearance formalities, in their usual friendly and efficient manner.

Visitors to Hong Kong:
For visitors to Hong Kong, the drill is essentially the same, except that since you are intending to stay
in Hong Kong for a few days, you must surrender your firearms and/or ammunition to Customs on
arrival. These very same rules apply in respect of firearm parts and magazines, but holsters and other
such accessories are usually not an issue.
However if you are in doubt about any item, then declare it to Customs, who will be happy to guide
you accordingly.
Now as I presume most of you intending to visit Hong Kong will probably do so after the
competition, you will not need your ammunition, so I suggest you lawfully dispose of it (or shoot it !)
in Indonesia before you leave. The reason for this is that if you bring your unused ammunition (or
empty cases) to Hong Kong, each and every round (and empty case), will need to be counted by you
and checked by Customs when you surrender them, and this is a laborious task. Enough said ? :-)

Next I strongly advise you to place your firearms in a small pistol box or bag inside your luggage,
because Customs do not have a very large armoury at HK airport, so it will be far easier if you can
remove and surrender a small pistol case or bag to them, instead of a whole suitcase. Once again, the
same rules apply for firearm parts & magazines.

If you followed my earlier advice about declaring your firearms to airline staff at the check-in desk at
the airport at which you board your flight to Hong Kong and you insist they go as secure baggage and
if the airline does their job properly, when you arrive at Hong Kong your suitcase containing your
firearms will be escorted by security staff and Customs from the aircraft directly to the Customs Duty
Officer, who is situated directly opposite baggage carousel number 9 inside the terminal.
However if, by chance, your suitcase containing firearms just happens to "pop out" on the baggage
carousel with your other baggage, this means that the airline screwed up, for which they (not you!)
will receive a heavy fine.

Should this occur, immediately retrieve and secure your firearms suitcase from the carousel, and go
immediately to the Customs Duty Officer opposite baggage carousel number 9, and tell them exactly
what happened. They will probably thank you for being so responsible by securing your firearms and
coming straight to them, after which they will merrily go beat the doo-doo out of the airline which
allowed this major gaff (for Hong Kong) to happen.

Anyway, one way or another, you and your firearms have now arrived at the Customs Duty Office.
Just inform the officer on duty that you wish to spend a few days in Hong Kong, and you wish to
surrender your firearms to him, pending re-export on whatever flight and date you plan to leave Hong
Kong (have this information available).
He will take you into a nearby examination room (for privacy to avoid brandishing firearms in front of
other passengers), he will inspect your firearms and other bits and pieces, he will ask you to complete
a Surrender Form and an Authorisation Form, on which the make, model, calibre and serial
numbers of your firearms will be recorded, and he will then give you an official receipt. There are no
fees for this service or storage.

He will then lock your firearms in the armoury, after which you can exit through the normal Customs
channels with your "non-strategic" belongings, after which you can spend the next few days boosting
our local economy.

Welcome to Hong Kong, the "City of Life" !! If you see Jackie Chan, say "Hi" for me :-)
A word of warning: corruption is virtually non-existent in Hong Kong, so don't even joke about
giving any official a tip or gift. The Hong Kong Customs and the Hong Kong Police, are arguably the
finest and cleanest in the world, and they will be very, very upset if you try anything stupid like
attempting to give them a bribe, and the penalties for doing so are very, very severe. Clear enough ?


Departing Hong Kong:
When you check-in for your flight out of Hong Kong, inform the airline staff at the normal check-in
desk that you have firearms deposited with the Customs Duty Office in the Arrivals Hall, and give
them the various documents you were given by Customs when you originally surrendered your
firearms on your arrival at Hong Kong. Of course, before going to the airport, it is advisable to make a
photocopy of these documents for your records.
The airline staff will weigh, tag and check-in your "non-strategic" suitcase, then they will get one of
their colleagues to take your documents to Customs to retrieve your firearms.
Customs and your airline representative will make arrangements to escort your firearms to your
outgoing aircraft prior to your departure, probably without any further involvement on your part.
However if you only surrendered a pistol case to Customs on arrival, this will need to be repacked into
one of your suitcases, in which case you may be asked to accompany the airline staff to the Customs
Duty Office in the arrival hall, to assist with this task.

Vince Pinto

there you go alaska hunter. nice find brickburn :clap: a lot easier than first appeared.

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Originally Posted by spike.t

... nice find brickburn :clap:...

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BRICKBURN here is for you :draught:

Thanks guys, I saw this online but am still not sure who to contact to get the proper permits.

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Originally Posted by Alaska Hunter

Thanks guys, I saw this online but am still not sure who to contact to get the proper permits.

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Civil Aviation Department Government of Hong Kong.
Dangerous Goods Office 2182 1233 2795 8469 (fax)

CAD Email:enquiry@cad.gov.hk

For travellers


Security Restricted Articles

In addition to the restrictions on the carriage of dangerous goods, security restricted articles are prohibited from carriage as hold baggage and cabin baggage.

A. Security Restricted Articles ?Hold Baggage

Explosive or incendiary substances, devices or articles capable of being used to cause serious injury or threatening the safety of the aircraft including:

*ammunition;
blasting caps;
detonators and fuses;
mines, grenades and other explosive military stores;
pyrotechnics, including fireworks;
smoke-generating canisters or cartridges; and
dynamite, gunpowder and plastic explosives

*If the possession of such ammunition (in Hong Kong) by a passenger is lawful, he/she may make arrangements with his/her airline for its transportation as hold baggage on a flight from Hong Kong. The handling of such are strictly in accordance with the requirements of the Air Navigation (Hong Kong) Order 1995 and under conditions specified in the Technical Instructions for the Safe Transport of Dangerous Goods by Air (Doc 9284).

B. Security Restricted Articles ?Cabin Baggage

Category 1 - Guns, firearms and other devices that discharge projectile
Devices designed to cause serious injury by discharging a projectile, or capable of being mistaken for such devices, including:


firearms of all types, including pistols, revolvers, rifles, shotguns;
toy guns, replicas and imitation firearms capable of being mistaken for real weapons, such as gun lighters;
component parts of firearms (excluding telescopic sights);
compressed air and CO2 guns, including pistols, pellet guns, rifles and ball bearing guns;
signal flare pistols and starter pistols;
bows, cross bows and arrows;
harpoon guns and spear guns; and
slingshots and catapults.

I gotta be honest, it has to be easier to rent guns....way to much work.