WARNING! Traveling with Muzzleloader Powder & Primers
In the United States, the TSA at the airports are now checking for muzzleloader powder or pellets as well as primers as they are prohibited from being in your luggage for travel on commercial aircraft.
Can anyone post where we can purchase or get muzzleloader powder, primers and supplies in different African countries?
I recently had a friend get checked by TSA with his muzzleloader in the Salt Lake City airport. The TSA is now looking for muzzleloaders and asking where is your powder and primers. If you have the powder or primers in your checked baggage or even with your locked ammunition, you will be arrested and charged with a felony.
My friend had put some pellets in his locked ammunition case as well as had some loaded in shotshells. He is being charged with 4 felony counts with trying to fly with those. They also went to his house with a warrant and took his passport and all his guns to hold. He was ordered not to leave his state or the country without court approval. He was assigned a probation officer that checks on him and that he must check in with periodically until his court date. This is all before even going to court and has not been convicted of anything.
So anyone hunting with a muzzleloader should not even try to take the powder or pellets in their luggage and will need to find a way to get their powder and primers in the country where they are hunting.
If you know of any sources in any African countries where we can obtain the pyrodex powders or pellets or any other muzzleloader powders and primers, please let us know in this post.
ammunition, powder and TSA
As most everyone knows, that traveling with blackpowder has always been prohibited on the airlines.
And that is part of the issue here. My friend was asked if he had black powder" for his muzzleloader and he responded that he did not. He was traveling with 777 pellets, which are not "black powder". 777 pyrodex pellets are a DOT approved substitute and can be shipped in the USA as such and is not classified as "black powder".
Ammunition is allowed on commercial aircraft per TSA rules. I have requested a clarification from TSA on a ruling as to what is allowed to be transported as ammunition.
The TSA in Salt Lake City was also asking if any of the rifle cartridges were "re-loaded" or "hand-loaded" and if they were, they would have confiscated those as well.
So this issue may be more far reaching than just muzzleloader pyrodex and blackpowder and also include any ammo that is "re-loaded' or "hand-loaded" as it could contain powder and primers that can be used in a muzzleloader.
This may escalate into other issues on what ammo can be transported on airlines.
I will keep you posted of what the TSA reply is on this issue.
Black Powder and Cap supplies in South Africa
As a manufacturer of muzzleloaders we generally always have a supply of BLACK POWDER FFFg, FFg and 1 1/2 Fg by WANO and or SWISS, we do not get PYRODEX, 777 etc in South Africa as our market is just too small. In addition to this we also have caps in #10, #11, #11 MAGNUM and Musket Caps as well as a selection of flints in stock.
If there are any hunters passing through Johannesburg we can probably put together a parcel of what they would like and need given a bit of notice.
reply from TSA / HSA re: powder and primers
I just received a reply from the TSA / HSA from my request for clarification on what types of ammunition, powders and/or primers that are allowed to be transported in checked baggage.
Although it is not as clear and definitive as I would have liked, it does give us some additional clarification regarding reloaded ammunition and primers. It also give me another source for additional clarification.
I am requesting additional clarification regarding the primers and powders from PHMSA now also.
Here is their response:
From: OSO-Correspondence [mailto:Oso-Correspondence@dhs.gov]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:40 AM
Dear Mr. Tulpa:
Thank you for your e-mail of December 28, 2009, to the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) Contact Center requesting clarification on TSA’s policy for transporting small-arms ammunition and primers aboard commercial aircraft.
Federal regulations prohibit passengers from carrying any type of ammunition or primers on their person or in their carry-on baggage. However, under Federal regulations, you may transport certain classes of those items in your checked baggage if securely packaged in fiber, wood, or a metal box specifically designated to carry ammunition. Reloaded ammunition is classed as ammunition and may be placed in your checked baggage if packaged properly.
The criterion for packaging ammunition is that the packaging shall be specifically designed to carry small amounts of arms ammunition (up to .75 caliber and/or any gauge shotgun shell). All magazines and clips must be securely placed in a pouch, holder, holster, or lanyard. Firearm cases may be used to transport ammunition, magazines, and clips when the case has a built-in compartment specifically designed to hold said items. The intent is to secure the ammunition from movement and prevent any object from being able to strike the casing (primers), thus preventing accidental discharge during transportation. If the packaging does not meet this requirement, TSA will contact the aircraft operator for removal of improperly packaged hazardous material.
Primers must be protected from accidental initiation and must also be the type permitted by the Department of Transportation Hazardous Materials Regulations. You will have to determine the hazard class of the 209 Primers. Dependent on the hazard class, the primers may or may not be placed in checked baggage. To assist you in that determination, we suggest that you contact the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) at 1-800-467-4922. Although TSA does not have a limit to the number of allowable primers, air carriers may have their own requirements regarding the amount of primers that can be transported in checked baggage.
All forms of black powder are prohibited in checked baggage or as a carry-on. If you have any questions on that prohibition, we suggest that you contact PHMSA.
You must contact your air carrier prior to the day of your travel to determine if the airline permits the carriage of your ammunition and primers onboard their aircraft.
Thank you for your inquiry, and I hope this information is helpful.
Assistant General Manager
for Communications and Resolution
Office of Security Operations
Air Travel with Black Powder is Absolutely Prohibited: What You Need to Know
Air Travel with Black Powder is Absolutely Prohibited: What You Need to Know
Black powder is a Class 1.10, Packing Group II, number UN0027 “Explosive”. Air travel with black powder in your checked luggage is prohibited. Carriage on a plane is not one single offense. Rather, it constitutes multiple offenses and subjects the sportsman to multiple separate civil penalties (15 to be exact) that can each be substantial. The following is a partial quote from a Notice of Proposed Civil Penalty received by a hunter when his luggage was found to contain one container of Jim Shockey’s Gold Premium Grade Black Powder Replacement:
By reason of the above, you violated the following Department of Transportation Hazardous Materials Regulations (Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations):
1. Section 171.2(a) in that you offered a hazardous material for transportation in commerce when the hazardous material was not properly classed, described, packaged, marked, labeled, and in condition for shipment as required or authorized by applicable requirements of this subchapter.
2. Sections 172.200(a) and 172.202(a)(1) in that you offered a hazardous material for transportation and failed to describe the hazardous material on the shipping papers, including the proper shipping name prescribed for the material in Column 2 of the § 172.101 Table, in the manner required by this subpart.
3. Sections 172.200(a) and 172.202(a)(2) in that you offered a hazardous material for transportation and failed to describe the hazardous material on the shipping papers, including the hazard class or division prescribed for the material as shown in Column 3 of the § 172.101 Table, in the manner required by this subpart.
4. Sections 172.200(a) and Section 172.202(a)(3) in that you offered a hazardous material for transportation and failed to describe the hazardous material on the shipping papers, including the identification number prescribed for the material as shown in Column 4 of the § 172.101 Table, in the manner required by this subpart.
5. Sections 172.200(a) and Section 172.202(a)(4) in that you offered a hazardous material for transportation and failed to describe the hazardous material on the shipping papers, including the packing grouping, in Roman numerals, prescribed for the material in Column 5 of the § 172.101 Table, if any, of the material covered by the description, in the manner required by this subpart.
6. Sections 172.200(a) and Section 172.202(a)(5) in that you offered a hazardous material for transportation and failed to describe the hazardous material on the shipping papers, including the total quantity (by net or gross mass, capacity, or as otherwise appropriate), including the unit of measurement, of the hazardous material covered by the description, in the manner required by this subpart.
7. Sections 172.204(a) or (c)(1) in that you offered a hazardous material for transportation and failed to certify that the material was offered for transportation in accordance with this subchapter by printing on the shipping paper containing the required shipping description one of the certifications set forth in this part.
8. Section 172.204(c)(2) in that you offered a hazardous material to an aircraft operator for transportation by air and failed to provide two copies of the certification required in this section.
9. Section 172.204(c)(3) in that you offered for transportation by air a hazardous material authorized for air transportation and failed to add the certification required in this section the following statement:
“I declare that all of the applicable air transport requirements have been met.”
10. Section 172.301(a) in that you offered for transportation a hazardous material in a non-bulk packaging and failed to mark the package with the proper shipping name and identification number (preceded by “UN” or “NA”, as appropriate) for the material as shown in the § 172.101 Table.
11. Section 172.400(a) in that you offered for transportation a hazardous material in one of the packages or containment devices listed in this subpart and failed to label the package or containment device with the labels specified for the material in the § 172.101 Table and in this subpart.
12. Section 172.600(c) in that you offered for transportation a hazardous material and failed to make the emergency response information immediately available for use at all times the hazardous material was present, and failed to make such information, including an emergency response telephone number, immediately available to any government agency responding to an incident involving hazardous material or conducting an investigation which involves a hazardous material.
13. Section 172.21(a) in that you offered for transportation materials designated “Forbidden” in Column 3 of the § 172.101 Table.
14. Section 173.21(b) in that you offered for transportation forbidden explosives as defined in § 173.54 of this part.
15. Section 173.54(a) in that you offered for transportation an explosive that had not been approved in accordance with § 173.56 of this subpart.
In accordance with Section 5123(a) of Chapter 51, Title 49 of the United States Code of Transportation, 49 U.S.C§ 5123, [name of violator] is liable for a civil penalty of not less than $250, nor greater than $50,000 ($100,000 if death, serious illness, severe injury, or substantial property damage results), for each violation of the regulations.