Results 1 to 13 of 13

Importing 2 guns of the SAME caliber into South Africa???

This is a discussion on Importing 2 guns of the SAME caliber into South Africa??? within the Before & After the Hunt forums, part of the HUNT AFRICA category; I am planning to take my two sons (12 and 14) to SA this summer to hunt plains game. I ...

  1. #1
    Chuckw is offline New Member
    Joined
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    2
    Chuckw has no Photos

    Default Importing 2 guns of the SAME caliber into South Africa???

    I am planning to take my two sons (12 and 14) to SA this summer to hunt plains game. I have already built the older boy a .308 and intend to build the younger one a .308 prior to the trip. I want them to take their own rifles as i think it will enhance the experience and the memories will follow that rifle for as long as they live! While reading about the importation of firearms, it says initially that you can only have one of each caliber. Later in the text it says you can have more than one of same with "good cause shown". Am i going to have any issues getting the boys rifles into SA? Thanks.

    Chuck

  2. #2
    Nyati's Avatar
    Nyati is online now AH Legend
    Joined
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    2,218

    Member of RFEC, RFETO

    Hunted Finland, RSA ( KwaZulu Natal, Limpopo, North West ), Spain

    Default

    Welcome to AH Chuck.

    As far as I know, an individual cannot import two guns of the same caliber in SA.

  3. #3
    PHOENIX PHIL's Avatar
    PHOENIX PHIL is online now AH Elite
    Joined
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    1,872

    Member of SCI

    Hunted USA, S. Africa

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckw View Post
    I am planning to take my two sons (12 and 14) to SA this summer to hunt plains game. I have already built the older boy a .308 and intend to build the younger one a .308 prior to the trip. I want them to take their own rifles as i think it will enhance the experience and the memories will follow that rifle for as long as they live! While reading about the importation of firearms, it says initially that you can only have one of each caliber. Later in the text it says you can have more than one of same with "good cause shown". Am i going to have any issues getting the boys rifles into SA? Thanks.

    Chuck
    I'd agree with Nyati here. But if you've seen something like that, it would be confusing. I'd lean towards building the younger boy a rifle in a different caliber. But if you're set on a .308, I'd contact Henry at riflepermits.com by email and ask him. Henry will know for certain, that's his job.
    U.S. Contact for HartzView Safaris
    Email: philip.clayton@cox.net
    480-861-9232
    www.hvsafaris.com

  4. #4
    Joined
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    295

    Member of SCI, RMEF

    Hunted Limpopo, Eastern Cape,Natal

    Default

    If each boy has his own saps 520 form filled out individual you should have 0 problems. Hope you and your boys enjoy Africa.
    Brian
    Blue Skies Hunting Adventures
    www.blueskieshunting.com

  5. #5
    AfricaHunting.com's Avatar
    AfricaHunting.com is online now Jerome Philippe, Founder of AfricaHunting.com
    Joined
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    15,778

    Member of AfricaHunting.com

    Hunted Namibia, South Africa, Zimbabwe, France, Spain, USA

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies Hunting Adventures View Post
    If each boy has his own saps 520 form filled out individual you should have 0 problems. Hope you and your boys enjoy Africa.
    A person must be 21 years of age to import firearm(s) and ammunition. It is possible for someone under the age of 21 to do a hunting safari in South Africa, however another hunter over the age limit must import a firearm for their use or they can rent/borrow one from the hunting outfitter.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nyati View Post
    As far as I know, an individual cannot import two guns of the same caliber in SA.
    Correct, there is a limit of two firearms per hunter that may be imported into South Africa for trophy hunting purposes, however hunters cannot bring in more than one firearm per caliber. An exception to this may apply for shotguns where more than one of the same caliber may be allowed for bird hunting. The client must provide an acceptable written motivation as to why they require more than one shotgun to the SAPS office upon declaration of firearms. You could try to get an authorization for your boys rifles and should a fourth person over 21 be traveling with you, that firearm could be traveling with him/her.

    Jerome Philippe, Founder of AfricaHunting.com
    Visited by over 240,000 hunters monthly, viewing 2.5 million pages, generating 14.5 million hits over 11,000 members (statistics Jan 2014).

    Click HERE to Support AH

    If you enjoy this site then tell fellow hunters about it!

    Our community is a place for seasoned African hunters and those who dream of someday hunting in Africa. I hope that you will find AfricaHunting.com a great place to spend time preparing for or dreaming about your future African hunting safari or reliving your last.

  6. #6
    PHOENIX PHIL's Avatar
    PHOENIX PHIL is online now AH Elite
    Joined
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    1,872

    Member of SCI

    Hunted USA, S. Africa

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AfricaHunting.com View Post
    Correct, there is a limit of two firearms per hunter that may be imported into South Africa for trophy hunting purposes, however hunters cannot bring in more than one firearm per caliber. An exception to this may apply for shotguns where more than one of the same caliber may be allowed for bird hunting. The client must provide an acceptable written motivation as to why they require more than one shotgun to the SAPS office upon declaration of firearms. You could try to get an authorization for your boys rifles and should a fourth person over 21 be traveling with you, that firearm could be traveling with him/her.
    Jerome,

    That confuses me. When I went to RSA in May, I took 3 rifles. All 3 were on my permit. One was being used by my son who was 15 at the time, but I didn't do anything special in order to justify 3 rifles on my permit.
    U.S. Contact for HartzView Safaris
    Email: philip.clayton@cox.net
    480-861-9232
    www.hvsafaris.com

  7. #7
    AfricaHunting.com's Avatar
    AfricaHunting.com is online now Jerome Philippe, Founder of AfricaHunting.com
    Joined
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    15,778

    Member of AfricaHunting.com

    Hunted Namibia, South Africa, Zimbabwe, France, Spain, USA

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by PHOENIX PHIL View Post
    Jerome,

    That confuses me. When I went to RSA in May, I took 3 rifles. All 3 were on my permit. One was being used by my son who was 15 at the time, but I didn't do anything special in order to justify 3 rifles on my permit.
    I may need to revise the information that I have posted as it may have changed as I read now that there is a maximum of four (4) firearms or shotguns per applicant. Not more than one of the same caliber or gauge is correct.

    Jerome Philippe, Founder of AfricaHunting.com
    Visited by over 240,000 hunters monthly, viewing 2.5 million pages, generating 14.5 million hits over 11,000 members (statistics Jan 2014).

    Click HERE to Support AH

    If you enjoy this site then tell fellow hunters about it!

    Our community is a place for seasoned African hunters and those who dream of someday hunting in Africa. I hope that you will find AfricaHunting.com a great place to spend time preparing for or dreaming about your future African hunting safari or reliving your last.

  8. #8
    BRICKBURN's Avatar
    BRICKBURN is online now SUPER MODERATOR
    Joined
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    6,316

    Member of KZN Hunters Assoc

    Hunted Namibia (Otavi, Ozondjache) South Africa ( LP, KZN, NC, EC) Botswana (Ghanzi) Canada (BC, AB, SK, MB, Ont, PQ, NS) USA (MT, WA, SD, CA, CO, WY, KS, MN, NC, VG, UT, HI)

    Default

    Just jumped onto the SAPS site and found circumstances under which they will allow more than one firearm of the same caliber.
    "Good Cause shown."

    Crime Prevention - Firearms - Importation

    "An application for more than one firearm of the same calibre

    The Registrar may in good cause shown, issue a permit in respect of more than one firearm per calibre to a person who will be using the firearms for the under mentioned purpose:

    to a foreign visitor for the purpose of hunting

    to a foreign visitor to display the firearm and ammunition at a trade show or collectors show or to display firearms or ammunition at a sport of hunting trade show.

    To a foreign visitor to participate in a competitive sport shooting event organised by recognised business, hunting, sport-shooting or collectors organisation.
    "
    Practice whispering before you leave for Africa!
    A Legend in my own mind!

  9. #9
    Chuckw is offline New Member
    Joined
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    2
    Chuckw has no Photos

    Default

    brickburn,

    that is exactly the passage I was referring to. I hope someone who has done/tried it recently will chime in. also, being from the U.S, what do I do exactly to show "proof" that the firearms are mine?

    chuck

  10. #10
    enysse's Avatar
    enysse is online now AH Ambassador
    Joined
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    5,209

    Member of Northeast Wisconsin SCI chapter, Lifetime member of NRA,RMEF

    Hunted Namibia, South Africa (East Cape, Guateng and Limpopo)

    Default

    Well you are going to have the 4457 form from Customs to get easily out of the USA and back in too.

  11. #11
    Cliffy is offline Banned
    Joined
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,072

    Hunted Hunted Zim, RSA (2), Namib(2), going again, Calif, Oregon, Arizona, Texas, Virginia, Idaho, South Dakota, Montana, Nevada, MO

    Default

    As mentioned your 4457 form from Customs is what you will need to show ownership.

  12. #12
    BRICKBURN's Avatar
    BRICKBURN is online now SUPER MODERATOR
    Joined
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    6,316

    Member of KZN Hunters Assoc

    Hunted Namibia (Otavi, Ozondjache) South Africa ( LP, KZN, NC, EC) Botswana (Ghanzi) Canada (BC, AB, SK, MB, Ont, PQ, NS) USA (MT, WA, SD, CA, CO, WY, KS, MN, NC, VG, UT, HI)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckw View Post
    brickburn,

    that is exactly the passage I was referring to. I hope someone who has done/tried it recently will chime in. also, being from the U.S, what do I do exactly to show "proof" that the firearms are mine?

    chuck
    As E & C said. The 4457 proves the "listed property" is from inside the USA for sure.


    One distinction you have to make when reading the SAPS site.
    The Central Firearms Registry is not processing your application when you arrive at a Port of Entry into RSA, as a hunter.
    The Officers at the Port of Entry are authorized to process your application and issue the Temporary Permit. Specified purpose: Hunting.

    So, Phil taking in 3 firearms was no issue.

    Since they have identified the possibility that more than one Firearm of the same calibre can be imported my bet is someone has done it and they do allow it.

    If someone can chime in great.
    Practice whispering before you leave for Africa!
    A Legend in my own mind!

  13. #13
    Cliffy is offline Banned
    Joined
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,072

    Hunted Hunted Zim, RSA (2), Namib(2), going again, Calif, Oregon, Arizona, Texas, Virginia, Idaho, South Dakota, Montana, Nevada, MO

    Default

    I would think the exception has more to do with the trafficking of firearms on a larger scale than it does for hunting. I would also think that the laws were written with the international co-operations that are in place around the world especially on the African continent and that hunting imports are a very small item in the big scheme of things worldwide on the subject of "small arms".

Similar Threads

  1. take 3 guns to SA
    By billc in forum Before & After the Hunt
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 12-17-2013, 11:34 AM
  2. New to Double guns
    By Reckless in forum Double Rifles
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 07-02-2013, 06:58 PM
  3. Guns In RSA
    By fearnot4me in forum Before & After the Hunt
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 02-24-2012, 11:33 AM
  4. Some guns for sale
    By tarawa in forum Free Classifieds
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 07-01-2010, 05:19 PM
  5. Packing Guns?
    By G-MAN in forum Before & After the Hunt
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 07-22-2009, 08:37 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •