458 win mag rifle choices CZ 550 vs Winchester 70
This is a discussion on 458 win mag rifle choices CZ 550 vs Winchester 70 within the .375 & Up forums, part of the Firearms & Ammunition category; Originally Posted by bebo 35bore told : " I will always lean toward the CZ for a CRF rifle, ........ ...
10-29-2013, 11:04 AM #21
Never actually said that I prefer PF over CRF, was just answering the OP question. I feel the CZ is a much better rifle, you get a quality firearm with acuracy right out of the box. The Winchester 70 I had, I paid approx $680 for, accuracy wasnt bad, but not great. I ended up sinking another $150 into it (glass bedding and pillars) helped with accuracy some. I tried about 10 differnt types of ammo in that thing. That's when I cut my loses and traded it for a Remington 700 in the same caliber, 1st box of ammo were Core Lokt and I had a nice little cloverleaf on the target.
Likewise, the CZ 550 in 416 Rigby using Federal premium 400 bullets preformed (on paper) the same as the Remington 700, nice tight group. That's why I recomended the CZ
All that being said, you were correct in your assumption that I prefer push feed. The argument between PF vs. CRF has been argued by better and more knowledgeable men that me. I have worked a Remington 700/m-40 in all kinds of precarious rifle positions, and have never had any issues. The PF rifles (again in my opinion) can be and are just as reliable as a CRF. as long as the shooter KNOWS his rifle, which should be the case anyway. The best agrgument/discussion I have been fortunate enough to be involved in was with an older gentleman who made the statement that" the claw extractor on a model 70 is so strong, that if the case got stuck in the chamber, it would rip the headstamp off before it let go"..... My reply, "Okay so now you have a rifle you can't chamber another round into because there's a large chunk of brass in the chamber".
Again for me it's a personal choice, to others it's taboo. Whatever, regardless, so on and so forth. If the 458 wm on the Mauser action I am having is not accurate, I will be selling it and buying a CZ 550 as well."That which does not kill us makes us stronger" Friedrich Nietzsche // That which does not kill me, better run like hell" Scott Smith
10-29-2013, 11:55 AM #22
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I m surprised about the accuracy of your Winch 70 , mines are perfect (the both : .375 H&H and .416 RM) .375 H&H, Leupold VX2 4-9x40 Zero @ 190 yds ++, inside 3" max .The rifle can do better, me no !!
Today I have not enough experience with the .416 RM to give a valuable opinion.
10-29-2013, 01:00 PM #23
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I think Phoenix Phil and sestoppelman have stated before that a lot of problems with guns and accuracy can be pinned to bad bedding of a rifle and I can't disagree. A good stock with a solid bedding helps with cycling of the action and accuracy of the barrel not influencing shots. Don't ever underestimate bad triggers too!
I honestly can only say one bad thing about one Remington 700, a BDL in a 270 Win.(it had a terrible stock, with terrible bedding). With a new gun stock, a Bell and Carson...it shot and cycled fine. Most of the push feed Remingtons I have shot are super accurate and cycle flawlessly. As a deer rifle I have no problem with a push feed gun. If I was hunting something that could stomp or eat me...I would want to make damn sure I had a gun and scope that would not let me down....and most sensible people on here would too. That is why most people hunt dangerous game with a control feed rifle or a double rifle.
10-30-2013, 09:12 PM #24"That which does not kill us makes us stronger" Friedrich Nietzsche // That which does not kill me, better run like hell" Scott Smith
10-31-2013, 12:05 AM #25
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I've got nothing against Remington. But for your own sake, don't buy one a Walmart. I've read about all sorts of problems with them and advised a friend not to buy one. He did and was sorry. It was a 7mm Magnum that he bought for his son last Christmas. First go at the range, the rifle would not extract spent rounds. Gunsmith says the bolt was machined incorrectly.Bonse Aba
10-31-2013, 06:29 AM #26"That which does not kill us makes us stronger" Friedrich Nietzsche // That which does not kill me, better run like hell" Scott Smith
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