African Quest Part One first to take the African Big Five or Six with the 45-70 lever-gun. Garrett Cartridges Inc.
Okay, very poetically written, and it may all be true (What is the difference between a fairy tale and a hunting story? A fairy tale begins: "Once upon a time..." and a hunting story: "You won't believe what happened..."). I still don't think 45-70 is an elephant caliber. There are a lot of tried and proven calibers out there to hunt African DG, and just because you CAN kill them with a marginal one does not mean you should. My 2 cents.
I'd forgotten about this thread altogether. How in the world did anyone even find this thread?
My opinion hasn't changed in the year and a half since I wrote this. Just because there is better bullets now doesn't mean that you can ethically hunt a Elephant with the 'ol .45-70. I just got in an arguement over whether the .405 Winchester and the .45-70 are Elephant guns (poster probably liked to use potato cannons on tanks too, after all, potatoes have improved over the years). Without all the time I've spent on multiple forums picking the brains of PH's I wouldn't even know myself...
At one time I thought the 45-70 was OK for dangerous game. After all how tough can a Buffalo or Elephant be? Right?
Well, after taking my first Buffalo (not with a 45-70) and watching my son take an Elephant (also not with a 45-70) I most definitely do NOT think the 45-70 is OK for dangerous game!
Right now I am re-barreling a left handed Ruger 77 into .458 Win Mag.
I think you might probably kill and elephant or a buffalo with a 45/70. Been done before
and I a sure it would work just fine . . . . most of the time
However, that would not be my concern
What would concern me is the time that it didn't
I am figuring that much black cow,that mad, moving that fast
whose gonna clean up THAT mess!
I've never even hunted Africa and i laughed a little when i saw the title of this thread, you might be better off talking a .22 CB for elephant because there's a better chance he won't notice he's been shot :laughing:
What a bunch of haters. The 45-70 has proven itself to be adequate for the biggest and baddest African game. You guys just can't handle the fact that a 150 year old AMERICAN cartridge can be so effective on your beloved elephants. You guys really need to get over your inferiority complex and stop hating on things just because they're American. If it wasn't for America you'd all be fucked right now anyway.
USA No 1,
Welcome to the forum. Pretty interesting you can tie politics in to a DG cartridge conversation.
I am American and very proud of that fact but it has nothing to do with my dislike of the 45-70.
It can, has, and will work in Africa. However there are many who have hunted large dangerous game that feel it is underpowered. And we even own 45-70s of our own.
It's case capacity is too small to propel a 500 grain bullet to the velocity many of us feel is minimum.
As I said it will work and I have seen where it has not. In one case a client shot a buffalo with a DGX and it did not have enough velocity to expand. After three days the buff was found and finished off. The next buff he shot was a quick kill.
There are many better choices out there some of them are even American rounds.
Take a breathe and have a nice day.
Not to step on anyone's toes here but I will add another twist to this thread, I have heard people call 45-70's and 444 Marlins and even 50 cal inlines "elephant guns". Most of these people were old timers and were not even referring to the power aspect of the cartridge but were speaking in terms of the size of the hole in the end of the barrel. These guys shoot 7mms and 30 cal and never even thought about going to another state let alone another country to hunt, so to them anything over say .35 cal is in the realm of an "elephant gun", just another term for overkill. Now I'm not saying this is what was discussed on these other sites and yes I have seen a few, I even have a well know reloading manual that states in a strong action like a Ruger No 1 and a K98 Mauser the 45-70 can be loaded to close to 458 velocities but the key word is close and that is still relative because in whose opinion is 1700 fps close to 2100fps? On the other side of the coin, there are the same type of people who claim the 30-30 Win and 35 Rem and the 308 are anemic for deer and black bear, you need something that is capable of pushing a 200+ grn tip at over 3200 fps for those animals. Just something else to throw out here...
Simple--not a "elephant gun"--- will kill an elephant, but not a elephant gun!!!!
Hey now lets start a is a 375 winchester thread a good cape buffalo round:o